Yosemite is pretty nice. Yellowstone is great. The Coast in the Pacific Northwest is awesome. Fishing in Alaska is wonderful. The fact that you can go into business for yourself is terrific. I like the idea that I can travel between the states without passing through a customs office at each border. Being able to contract on my own with my doctor, and selecting any doctor I want to, is really nice. Working with hard working people who are high achievers fits me well. Looking over the landscape at American innovation and our can-do spirit "sends a thrill up my leg." That's just a few things that make me proud of my country.

Now then, let's talk about our government and how the Constitution is being trashed. Now there's something not to be proud of.

Vi

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well vi, since a good portion of the constitution's trouble has come from your favorite party perhaps you're now willing to vote libertarian. if you are not in a battleground state a protest vote is symbolic without influencing the election.

symbols matter.

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califronia definietely isnt a battleground state, so might as well

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LMAO! I've been registered as a Libertarian for 25 years now. The last Republican president I voted for was Ronald Reagan. The only Republican state representative I've voted for was Tom McClintock and Bruce Hershenson. In fact, I actually worked on Hershenson's campaign. Now, you may ask ... why McCain this time around? The answer is ... the Libertarian Party hasn't a chance in hell of winning and neither does Ron Paul, who is actually my favorite candidate in the race.

Look, I feel that electing McCain and Palin is of dire importance because the Democrat Party has been purged of its moderate leaders and taken over by the Marxist wing of the party. As a Libertarian, can you imagine what will happen to government if the executive branch is taken over by a Marxist like O'Bama? Think: Pelosi, Reid, Boxer, Kennedy, Biden and O'Bama in control of our lives ... not to mention the two to three Supreme Court nominees coming down the pike over the next four years.

Palin should be giving Libertarians hope ... I know she's convinced me. Consider this: If McCain/Palin wins, the election in 2112 will be between Palin and Hillary. One is for the expansion of the private sector, the other wants to nationalize it. Which of those two scenarios is more favorable to your libertarian leanings?

Vi

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i think you missed my point. or perhaps changed subjects as you have been known to do here. anyway, neither of our votes is meaningful for determining the election given the states we live in. if you want to make your vote count you need to move to a small swing state like colorado. doubt if either of us is that committed however.

as for the republicans so called free market perspective i think you must be joking. given the state of the financial markets you can expect similar government controls from either party. its going to be a regulation-fest and you might as well accept it. think mccain's emergency commission - which by the way is a typical washington dodge, no?

and to carry your water, the democrats have made some serious noises that are quite marxist in tone.

add to that we, imo, have four candidates each with serious, serious flaws makes the choice even more unpalatable.

i say vote for what you believe in.

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McPalin is Bush 44, two dumbass idiots that had for an economical advisor a guy that said the people were experiencing a mental recession, and the economy was fine, I guess Black Monday and Wednesday blew that arguement into the weeds. Those two will finish this country off and probably start WWIII.

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greetings medman, been seeing your posts for some time. thoght i;d say hi. hi.

while i think you make some great points elsewhere, especially the erosion of civil liberties under the repubs, i gotta say i disagree with you here. economics is 90% psychological and it is traditional for the current admin to have a rosey outlook. it actually has nothing to do with politics.

mccain saying the economy was sound was plain stupid however, by proving his own assertion that he didn't understand economics.

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So greetings to you also. My question about the disagreement is this: McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time, he was involved in a Savings and loan scandal years ago (Supposedly false, wink wink) his economic advisor said we were just experiencing a mental recession, and you think that McPalin is not 4 more years of the Bush doctrine? They just don't pass the smell test, something stinks with them. JMHO.

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actually, i don't think the situation will permit four more years of the same approach. and most republicans are fed up with bush anyway. so, no i don;t think it will be a continuation of the same policies. that's just an (effective) democratic talking point.

i'd bet that the mccain doctrine might be worse than the bush doctrine. more bellicose towards russia, more willing to commit troops that have no business in that country (can you say pakistan and iran?), more willing to push a religious right agenda. ignorant of economics and the real lives of average americans.

edit - and last but not least, more willing to violate our civil liberties.

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So OK, not the same, but worse. My sentiments exactly. Snake handlers at the ready.

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