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Old 09-10-2008, 08:21 PM
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Exclamation A message from the 3rd party candidates to the establishment:YOU'RE F*CKING THE US UP
When you can bring together the likes of Ron Paul, Baldwin, McKinney, and Nader- and have them agree whole heartily on 4 major issues, YOU KNOW LIBERTY IS AT STAKE.

The press conference was held this morning, all those that attended gave a short speech about how the 2 party system of this country is destroying us by offering no real choice on the most important issues in our country and blocking other candidates from having a real chance.. the agreement they all signed onto..

We Agree
Foreign Policy: The Iraq War must end as quickly as possible with removal of all our soldiers from the region. We must initiate the return of our soldiers from around the world, including Korea, Japan, Europe and the entire Middle East. We must cease the war propaganda, threats of a blockade and plans for attacks on Iran, nor should we re-ignite the cold war with Russia over Georgia. We must be willing to talk to all countries and offer friendship and trade and travel to all who are willing. We must take off the table the threat of a nuclear first strike against all nations.

Privacy: We must protect the privacy and civil liberties of all persons under US jurisdiction. We must repeal or radically change the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, and the FISA legislation. We must reject the notion and practice of torture, eliminations of habeas corpus, secret tribunals, and secret prisons. We must deny immunity for corporations that spy willingly on the people for the benefit of the government. We must reject the unitary presidency, the illegal use of signing statements and excessive use of executive orders.

The National Debt: We believe that there should be no increase in the national debt. The burden of debt placed on the next generation is unjust and already threatening our economy and the value of our dollar. We must pay our bills as we go along and not unfairly place this burden on a future generation.

The Federal Reserve: We seek a thorough investigation, evaluation and audit of the Federal Reserve System and its cozy relationships with the banking, corporate, and other financial institutions. The arbitrary power to create money and credit out of thin air behind closed doors for the benefit of commercial interests must be ended. There should be no taxpayer bailouts of corporations and no corporate subsidies. Corporations should be aggressively prosecuted for their crimes and frauds.



"We are not being faced with the choice of the lesser of two evils- we're really being faced with the evils of two lessers."

"When you're forced to choose between the lesser of two evils- you're still choosing evil."
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Old 09-10-2008, 08:31 PM
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Great Post!!!!! The core of what needs to be changed and made true in this country. Please cite where you are getting info from, I would love to pass this info onto my Policy Classmates, but must cite references. It is a good practice, even for RIU, as information without a valid source is its self not valid (not saying that about this post, just a lot of crappy info going around).
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I purposely don't cite my sources out of principle- though there are a lot that would like to disagree with my tactics (usually throwing a bunch of 'rules' at me that may I point out, were handed to them by others)- I think more people need to learn how to think for themselves. I'd like to hope all voting adults can use google- form your own independent opinion with your own research , I wish more people did that..

There were plenty of main stream articles today on the event.
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Though, yeah, I found an article, just not something published by the MSM, but that's fine by me.

Be interesting to see what happens this election, considering the fact that it seems that both the Democrats and Republicans have done a fair job of pissing of .... well almost everyone.
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On September 10th, 2008 WoodinvilleRP says:
Since McCain/Obama really just represent one party: the party of the purple cow? - we need to reinforce the idea that we're not talking about a "3rd" party here - we're talking about a 2nd party... that avoids the "3rd party" baggage and helps reinforce the points made in the press release today.


Just a post from a media site I couldn't resist but to post.


Party of the Purple Cow, that's a good description of Obama and McCain.
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When you can bring together the likes of Ron Paul, Baldwin, McKinney, and Nader- and have them agree whole heartily on 4 major issues, YOU KNOW LIBERTY IS AT STAKE.

The press conference was held this morning, all those that attended gave a short speech about how the 2 party system of this country is destroying us by offering no real choice on the most important issues in our country and blocking other candidates from having a real chance.. the agreement they all signed onto..

We Agree
Foreign Policy: The Iraq War must end as quickly as possible with removal of all our soldiers from the region. We must initiate the return of our soldiers from around the world, including Korea, Japan, Europe and the entire Middle East. We must cease the war propaganda, threats of a blockade and plans for attacks on Iran, nor should we re-ignite the cold war with Russia over Georgia. We must be willing to talk to all countries and offer friendship and trade and travel to all who are willing. We must take off the table the threat of a nuclear first strike against all nations.

Privacy: We must protect the privacy and civil liberties of all persons under US jurisdiction. We must repeal or radically change the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, and the FISA legislation. We must reject the notion and practice of torture, eliminations of habeas corpus, secret tribunals, and secret prisons. We must deny immunity for corporations that spy willingly on the people for the benefit of the government. We must reject the unitary presidency, the illegal use of signing statements and excessive use of executive orders.

The National Debt: We believe that there should be no increase in the national debt. The burden of debt placed on the next generation is unjust and already threatening our economy and the value of our dollar. We must pay our bills as we go along and not unfairly place this burden on a future generation.

The Federal Reserve: We seek a thorough investigation, evaluation and audit of the Federal Reserve System and its cozy relationships with the banking, corporate, and other financial institutions. The arbitrary power to create money and credit out of thin air behind closed doors for the benefit of commercial interests must be ended. There should be no taxpayer bailouts of corporations and no corporate subsidies. Corporations should be aggressively prosecuted for their crimes and frauds.



"We are not being faced with the choice of the lesser of two evils- we're really being faced with the evils of two lessers."

"When you're forced to choose between the lesser of two evils- you're still choosing evil."
I agree with all besides the very first one, and that is my major issue with Ron Paul. Save from his foreign policy he'd be a decent POTUS. However, he would be a decent VP given that he would not be the commander in chief, and that is what I believe him best as, a VP.
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I found the source, didn't have to look far. Citing sources makes it easier for people to verify validity, you bring up some great points MILF, and yes I can find the info for myself if I really care.

ZEN- You have to understand that Paul's foriegn policy an integral piece in all of the other points. We are operating outside of our constitutional bounds by joining international organizations and becoming subject to their laws, not to mention operating an empire around the globe. Look at what caused the fall of all of the great empires of the past and you will see why our current state is so disturbing.
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If a third party came to power and tried to contain the federal government within the bounds of the Constitution, we would have a revolt the likes of which the world hasn't seen. Do you guyz actually believe that the New American, entitlement mentality and all, would stand still for liberty?

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Most everyone could agree with the content of the post, the problems are many in getting them implemented. I for one agree with about 80% of Ron Pauls agenda. I have problems with the privatization areas. We can all see what a great job our corporations have done with privatization. But they are outnumbered by total political ignorance on the part of the American people. When you bring R.P. up on this forum, you are preaching to the choir, and there aren't enough people here to make a difference. The best hope we have for change is Obama. McSame will continue on the destructive path Bush has laid down and probably start WWIII. I would bet on this, but if I win, I lose. BTW, I may check and see what the odds are in Vegas, I've heard it's 2-1 Obama.
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