Fogdog
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Wednesday is the day.
Does anybody want to make an over/under prediction?
I'll start the bidding at over $200 million.
TRUMP INDICTED
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Does anybody want to make an over/under prediction?
I'll start the bidding at over $200 million.
DIY-HP-LED
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If you want to be happy, be generous is sage advice and building a positive community of causes and helping based around it is a good legacy to leave and life to live.
DIY-HP-LED
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I'll take $360 million, the full monty.
Fogdog
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over or under or exactly?
compassionateExotic
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666 million and interest
DIY-HP-LED
Well-Known Member
I'm wondering if the bookies are wagering on it?
Budzbuddha
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550 million and a bucket of tears.
Expect a ketchup tsunami.
Expect a ketchup tsunami.
That's a hell of a job,an investment in effort and time to sanely dispel a MAGA theory that this guy is convinced of,you can pile up facts to a couple of stories in height and you'll still get a pull the chord response from these people,they are a new species blinded by the "Springer-like" rah,rah,rah, own the libs rants,100 % believers of unvetted news,and incapable of any objectivity,the deeper down the road they go the more dug in they are. They cannot be reversed in spite of the well documented,vetted factual argument that was presented and will pivot to the next MAGA talking point with a "What about this,What about that",their rudder is jammed,they're turning in circles.Trump and his allies, including his personal lawyer, Rudolph Giuliani, the former mayor of New York, accuse Biden of using his position as vice president and point man on relations with Kyiv in 2016 to help Burisma -- a Ukrainian energy company that was paying Biden's son Hunter, who was on its board of directors -- avoid damage from a criminal investigation.
They assert that Shokin was overseeing an active criminal investigation into Burisma and that Biden at the time told Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko that the United States would withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees unless Shokin was fired.
But Ukrainian prosecutors and anti-corruption activists with knowledge of the matter argue that the timeline of developments in the Burisma case and Shokin's stint as chief prosecutor simply does not fit the narrative being put forward by Trump and his allies.
Moreover, they say that Shokin himself was the biggest obstacle standing in the way of the investigation.
Biden did demand that Shokin be removed. At an event at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York in 2018, Biden seemed to boast about it, saying that during a visit to Kyiv -- likely in December 2015 -- he told Ukrainian officials: "We're leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor's not fired, you're not getting the money."
However, there are two big problems with the narrative presented by Trump and Giuliani, according to activists in Ukraine and others.
For one thing, Ukrainian prosecutors and anti-corruption advocates who were pushing for an investigation into the dealings of Burisma and its owner, Mykola Zlochevskiy, said the probe had been dormant long before Biden leveled his demand.
"There was no pressure from anyone from the United States" to close the case against Zlochevskiy, Vitaliy Kasko, who was a deputy prosecutor-general under Shokin and is now first deputy prosecutor-general, told Bloomberg News in May. "It was shelved by Ukrainian prosecutors in 2014 and through 2015," he added.
Activists say the case had been sabotaged by Shokin himself. As an example, they say two months before Hunter Biden joined Burisma's board, British authorities had requested information from Shokin's office as part of an investigation into alleged money laundering by Zlochevskiy. Shokin ignored them.
Kaleniuk and AntAC published a detailed timeline of events surrounding the Burisma case, an outline of evidence suggesting that three consecutive chief prosecutors of Ukraine -- first Shokin’s predecessor, then Shokin, and then his successor -- worked to bury it.
"Ironically, Joe Biden asked Shokin to leave because the prosecutor failed [to pursue] the Burisma investigation, not because Shokin was tough and active with this case," Kaleniuk said.
Ukrainian prosecutors have described no evidence indicating that Biden sought to help his son by getting Shokin dismissed -- and have suggested that they have not discovered any such evidence.
But there is a long list of Western organizations, governments, and diplomats, as well as Ukrainian anti-corruption groups, that wanted to see Shokin fired.
They include the International Monetary Fund, the European Union, the U.S. government, foreign investors, and Ukrainian advocates of reform.
In a column published days after Shokin was fired in March 2016, Anders Aslund, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council think tank in Washington, wrote that his dismissal came as no surprise.
"The amazing thing is not that he was sacked but that it has taken so long," Aslund said. "Petro Poroshenko appointed Shokin to the role in February 2015. From the outset, he stood out by causing great damage even to Ukraine's substandard legal system."
Why Was Ukraine's Top Prosecutor Fired? The Issue At The Heart Of The Dispute Gripping Washington
U.S. President Donald Trump asserts that Joe Biden pushed for the ouster of Ukraine’s chief prosecutor to quash a probe into a Burisma, a gas company with Biden's son on its board. Officials and anti-corruption activists in Kyiv say Prosecutor-General Viktor Shokin had shelved the case long...www.rferl.org
Want more?
Envoys pushed to oust Ukraine prosecutor before Biden
EU and US officials dispute Trump’s claim former vice-president acted to protect sonwww.ft.com
The inside story of Ukraine’s ‘very good’ prosecutor at the centre of Trump's latest scandal
Donald Trump said Ukraine’s former chief prosecutor was an honest, wronged man, fired after Joe Biden tried to shut down an investigation into his son’s gas company. In Kiev, Oliver Carroll speaks to people who know Viktor Shokin, and finds a different storywww.independent.co.uk
The money machine: how a high-profile corruption investigation fell apart
The long read: After a revolution overthrew Ukraine’s disgraced president, Theresa May promised to help the country’s new leaders recover stolen assets. But the UK’s first case collapsed within a yearwww.theguardian.com
This morn, on "Morning Joe",two authors of a book "Steal the Vote",I think it's called stated that a 30 something yo women working in Georgia Sec. of State Raspenberger's office knew that Trump was waiting to speak to him to pressure him on the vote stats. and it was HER,w/her phone on mute who recorded the infamous conversation. It's always someone unexpected who steps up and displays bravery and grace under pressure. She risked legal action against herself in doing this on her own accord and without that recorded call we'd surely be listening denials that it never happened and more MAGA "witch hunt" propaganda. It's always an unlikely person who steps up and tries to save the day,reminds me of the Doris Miller story,a colored cook in a segregated navy who was relegated below and ended up manning a AA gun,downing a couple Japanese planes at Pearl Harbor,his name will grace the next commisioned Ford class aircraft carrier.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I cannot give a number, but its principles of computation:
the value of all the assets of the corporation
plus
the sum of all outstanding debts and liabilities
plus
a punitive addendum of say $183.3mm.
Items 1 and 2 are perhaps difficult to valuate. I imagine the forensic accountants quietly working in the background are assigning a likely range; use the upper bound in each case.
Item three is symbolic: the polarity of the fucking is reversed, plus 100mm middle-finger fee for requiring the court to muck out the Augean stables of that firm’s “accounting” division and give notice to anyone else using gross over-and undervaluations to manipulate lenders, insurers and tax authorities.
BudmanTX
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i'll take just under 400mil for $200 alex.....and a cold beer
BudmanTX
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like i've told u before, i would give you mine but he's an ass and still owes me $600 for last weekend...
DIY-HP-LED
Well-Known Member
With interest accruing on that amount of cash, it will be hard to be exact. Whatever they are asking for I figure and if the judge has the discretion to go higher Donald could be in trouble.
Holdmyhammer
Member
I think they are all a bunch of overpaid liars out for themselves. Biden is a push over. Pretty sad I served 4 years in the Marines for the US to get bent over. Trump is not the answer either…I’m a felon so my vote doesn’t matter anyways
DIY-HP-LED
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He seems to be doing ok at destroying Russian military and economic power, if he gets the cash Vlad is done and if he wins the election the Russian's might as well leave, if they are still there. Did it on a shoestring too and is trying his best to avoid getting US troops in more shit in the middle east than they already are. BTW the economy is doing really well and that goes right down to regular folks, who are optimistic and figure they personally are doing ok. Presidents are not supermen; they are supposed to be competent managers and stewards of the executive, they are supposed to unite the nation, not divide it, and call troops who died "suckers and losers", Trump said that to a Marine corps general.
DIY-HP-LED
Well-Known Member
More on the stolen passwords and much more! Lindsey's political career is over after he testifies against Trump!
Jan 30, 2024
Sen. Graham 'threw Trump under the bus' in special grand jury testimony, book says
Investigative journalists Michael Isikoff and Daniel Klaidman join Morning Joe to discuss their new book 'Find Me the Votes: A Hard-Charging Georgia Prosecutor, a Rogue President, and the Plot to Steal an American Election'.
Sen. Graham 'threw Trump under the bus' in special grand jury testimony, book says
Investigative journalists Michael Isikoff and Daniel Klaidman join Morning Joe to discuss their new book 'Find Me the Votes: A Hard-Charging Georgia Prosecutor, a Rogue President, and the Plot to Steal an American Election'.
Holdmyhammer
Member
I remember him saying that about losers and suckers. Pretty sad. I agree with you 100%. I just don’t like the surprises….
Fogdog
Well-Known Member
Your vote does matter. That's why you were deprived of your vote for no good reason.
DISENFRANCHISEMENT LAWS CANNOT BE JUSTIFIED
https://www.hrw.org/legacy/reports98/vote/usvot98o-03.htm
There is no plausible argument for stripping the right to vote away from people, anyone, including those who were incarcerated. You put your life on the line to defend this right for others. Why not you?
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Thanks for your service. I have a question though. If it's Trump vs Biden again who would you vote for if you could?