Not enough oxygen?

Hydrowannabe

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hey everyone. Simple question. Are two of these cheap inline pumps with 4 air stones enough to provide enough oxygen to fresh cuts. I ask because if I start my cuttings in my aero cloner, wait for them to form little nubs, then change them to the bubbler, I get very nice and fast roots. (I’m unemployed atm, so I obviously have a lot of time on my hands ha). But if I start the cutting directly in the bubbler, they fall over and never come back up, making me believe that it’s an oxygen issue. Another way of asking this would be, do I need to buy a better inline pump for this 12 gal diy bubble cloner. Thanks
 

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JSB99

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Yep, plenty of bubbles. You might want to get some clone gel, and dip your cuttings before putting them in the bubble cloner. Sometimes I'll have one flop over, but they pop back up pretty quickly. Not sure why you're having the issue.
 

Hydrowannabe

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Word. Thanks man. Murphy’s law is the problem haha. Idk, I had tried a new unnecessary product in my water but won’t mention it bc I have no clue if that was the issue. Next try!
 

Hydrowannabe

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How far above the water line do you let your cuttings sit. Or do you submerge them at the surface until roots form. I think I may accidentally had the cutting to far submerged. Oh, and yea I use clonex with great results mostly
 

JSB99

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Word. Thanks man. Murphy’s law is the problem haha. Idk, I had tried a new unnecessary product in my water but won’t mention it bc I have no clue if that was the issue. Next try!
Just use plain water. You don't even have to balance it. They won't need any additives until after they've started rooting.

How far above the water line do you let your cuttings sit. Or do you submerge them at the surface until roots form. I think I may accidentally had the cutting to far submerged. Oh, and yea I use clonex with great results mostly
I keep my water an inch or so below the stalks. When the bubbles pop on the surface of the water, it creates micro-spray that floats around until it lands on the stalks.
 

Hydrowannabe

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I’ve recently been playing with r/o water. People seem to have varying success with it with no real good explanation. Seems maybe my issue was that I wasn’t really getting r/o,..idk I always had calmag issues with r/o water no matter how little or how much calmag I supplemented. I went back to tap water because I, despite what I thought, it was not laden with salt. I plan on cloning in a few days, I’m sure with the tap water, I won’t have any issue. I’ve never had issues with ph adjusted tap water. Some people are going to read this and ask why I even switched to r/o water. Long story
 

JSB99

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I’ve recently been playing with r/o water. People seem to have varying success with it with no real good explanation. Seems maybe my issue was that I wasn’t really getting r/o,..idk I always had calmag issues with r/o water no matter how little or how much calmag I supplemented. I went back to tap water because I, despite what I thought, it was not laden with salt. I plan on cloning in a few days, I’m sure with the tap water, I won’t have any issue. I’ve never had issues with ph adjusted tap water. Some people are going to read this and ask why I even switched to r/o water. Long story
I have to disagree. I only use plain, unbalanced tap water, up until I start feeding. I change my water every 3 or 4 days, and they root just fine. I do dip my cuttings in clone gel before putting them in my bubble cloner, but other than that, it's just water.
 

JSB99

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I have to disagree. I only use plain, unbalanced tap water, up until I start feeding. I change my water every 3 or 4 days, and they root just fine. I do dip my cuttings in clone gel before putting them in my bubble cloner, but other than that, it's just water.
I was actually disagreeing with the need to use ro water. You do not need anything while cloning. No special water, no nutrients, no balanced pH, nothing but plain tap water. The clones feed off the stored energy in the leaves, not from the water. The leaves will start dying and looking like shit when roots start to form, which is absolutely normal and expected.

Learn how to do this using the very basic method, and you'll see how many things are unnecessary in rooting clones.

Also, make sure your light is weak (like around 2000lm). Bright lights will make your clones try to grow rather than root, which isn't what you want. They'll just sit there and do nothing.

Res changes every few days is highly recommended for successful cloning.
 

PetFlora

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I was actually disagreeing with the need to use ro water. You do not need anything while cloning. No special water, no nutrients, no balanced pH, nothing but plain tap water. The clones feed off the stored energy in the leaves, not from the water. The leaves will start dying and looking like shit when roots start to form, which is absolutely normal and expected.

Learn how to do this using the very basic method, and you'll see how many things are unnecessary in rooting clones.

Also, make sure your light is weak (like around 2000lm). Bright lights will make your clones try to grow rather than root, which isn't what you want. They'll just sit there and do nothing.

Res changes every few days is highly recommended for successful cloning.
Sorry to burst your water bubble (npi)

there is no such things as plain tap water. tap is loaded with VOCs (many because chlorine is a periodic chart whore), and if recycled (as many large cities do) it also has prescription medication residues. Now there's a cocktail
 

Hydrowannabe

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welp, there goes that thread lol. This isn’t a water debate. I don’t use r/o water. I have before with success but see the unnecessary-ness of it. Like you, i us plain water. I have for five years or so and have never had problems cloning up until I moved. My tap water is 100 ppm but maybe I should find out more specifically what’s in it bc Idk what else would be the cause. It honestly almost used to be hard to screw up a clone unless I was absolutely wreckless. I seen someone say on here that they rooted a clone that they had picked out of the garbage. I don’t doubt it. But I can’t for the life of me, figure out what my problem is. And if I use any “additives” when rooting a cutting, it’s only a small amount of superthrive but this is also not a superthrive debate,..it’s an all out brawl jk damnit, I hate killing clones
 

Hydrowannabe

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Just for any passerby’s,...clonex gel has 3000 ppms of rooting hormone in it which is more than enough to act as a rooting additive,..even if it washes off into the water...to my knowledge. A lot of ppl think it’s a waste to use clonex gel if it just washes off but I recently read that it has such high ppms that it acts as a solution if it washes off. Just sayin. Peace
 

JSB99

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Sorry to burst your water bubble (npi)

there is no such things as plain tap water. tap is loaded with VOCs (many because chlorine is a periodic chart whore), and if recycled (as many large cities do) it also has prescription medication residues. Now there's a cocktail
Funny you should mention that. I was just thinking that I should clarify that for hard water situations :)

Good call!
 

zypheruk

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Just to add my bit to the cloning, when your bubbling your water, as said above leave a gap between water surface and clone tip. Lift the lid of and if the underside is wet from the bursting bubbles then all should be fine. Put a dome over them if needed for the first few days. Cloning using water should not be causing any problems. Hope you find what's screwing them up.
 

Cold$moke

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Water culture clones generally do not requir a dome unless your in a super dry climate.


Its all about water level.. water culture clones will not droop if all is well :)

Just my little tid bit
 

Hydrowannabe

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Just to add my bit to the cloning, when your bubbling your water, as said above leave a gap between water surface and clone tip. Lift the lid of and if the underside is wet from the bursting bubbles then all should be fine. Put a dome over them if needed for the first few days. Cloning using water should not be causing any problems. Hope you find what's screwing them up.
I figured I should keep just enough of a gap for the stems to get splashed but not totally submerged. I tried both and both died. I’ve never seen anything like it. From the first time I attempted cloning, I always considered it to be almost impossible to screw it up. I’ve thrown so many cuttings away at my old house. This new tap water is more expensive at this house I recently moved into, it’s not nearly as hard (under 100 ppm). I don’t know the deal. It’s Murphy’s freaking law in action lol. I haven’t mentioned the details of how I’ve cloned in the past because I’ve never had an issue, so I know things like light intensity, etc are all fine. I know it’s going to most likely be something that someone thinks they know why, but most likely will never even personally figure out what was wrong. Frustrating when you feel like you’re back at your first grow
 

Hydrowannabe

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To add to the convo about “plain” tap water. If you mean,...there is no such thing as regular or universal tap water. What might be good water coming from your tap might be shitty from mine,...then I agree. I’ve tried so many times to tell ppl you can’t tell ppl to drop their methods and resort to water straigh from the faucet and nothing else. Similar reason why some ppl start I never hydro and have great success but never check their water so they tell everyone that meters are unnecessary. A lot of ppl out there like that. I’m rambling now. I’m sure I’ll be disagreed with, but thanks to the dude that answered my question about the water level.
 
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