SSRI's, Children, School Shootings ?

Could experimental psychotropic drugs cause violent behavior and thoughts of suicide?

  • Yes

    Votes: 7 70.0%
  • No

    Votes: 2 20.0%
  • Not Mine

    Votes: 1 10.0%

  • Total voters
    10

chiqifella

Well-Known Member
Convenient Coincidence

Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zolo ft then Luv ox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold's medical records have never been made available to the public.

• Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Proza c (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.

• Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on P axil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.

• Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking P rozac.

• Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Z oloft.

• Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Z oloft for 6 days.

• Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on P rozac and R italin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.

• Luke Woodham, age 16 (Proza c) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.

• A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zo loft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.

• Michael Carneal (Rital in), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..

• A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Rit alin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.

• Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritali n) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ri alin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.

• TJ Solomon, age 15, (Rit alin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.

• Rod Mathews, age 14, (Rital in) beat a classmate to death with a bat.

• James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.

• Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (P axil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania

• Jason Hoffman (Effex or and Cel exa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California

• Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Pa xil), after five days on P xil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.

• Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Pax il) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.

• Jeff Franklin (Pro zac and Rit alin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic's file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.

• Neal Furrow (Proz ac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.

• Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Proz ac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zol oft and other SSRI antidepressants.

• Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexa pro prescription had been doubled.

• Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbut rin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.

• Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Pro zac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family's Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.

• Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Pa xil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara's parents said ".... the damn doctor wouldn't take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Pa xil...")

• Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on P axil when he committed suicide in 2002, (Gareth's father could not accept his son's death and killed himself.)

• Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zo loft when she hung herself in her family's detached garage.

• Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zol oft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.

• Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Pro zac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.

• Woody __, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zol oft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.

• A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Pr ozac dosage was increased.

• Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zolo ft and "other drugs for the conditions."

• Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.

• Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Pro zac, Xan ax and Amb ien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.

• Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.

• Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazod one.

• Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his New York high school.

No way no how did any of these drugs play a part in these psychotic episodes?
 

tangerinegreen555

Well-Known Member
In every one of those cases, there are mental issues FIRST, prescription drugs SECOND.

This is how ridiculous conspiracy theories start. Concentrate on the prescription drugs and totally ignore the fact that every one of these people had some degree of unpredictable mental illness before the prescription.

No excuses, no alibis.

Thanks.
 

chiqifella

Well-Known Member
In every one of those cases, there are mental issues FIRST, prescription drugs SECOND.

This is how ridiculous conspiracy theories start. Concentrate on the prescription drugs and totally ignore the fact that every one of these people had some degree of unpredictable mental illness before the prescription.

No excuses, no alibis.

Thanks.
agreed. feed a fucked up kid experimental drugs, indicated specifically for adults who are a danger to themselves or others, coupled with the known undesired effects of this whole class of drugs-i.e.- suicidal thoughts, tendencies, violence- the
legal drug use among these kids is at minimum a consideration to all but the most ignorant.

You certainly consider drug use-legal or otherwise- a factor in every other tragedy that is injurious to humans. Very strange to ignore this one I'd say, unless you worked for big pharma or leo.
 

curious2garden

Well-Known Mod
Staff member
In every one of those cases, there are mental issues FIRST, prescription drugs SECOND.

This is how ridiculous conspiracy theories start. Concentrate on the prescription drugs and totally ignore the fact that every one of these people had some degree of unpredictable mental illness before the prescription.

No excuses, no alibis.

Thanks.
Precisely, correlation does not equal causation.
 

3GT

Well-Known Member
It says on the box, may cause suicidal thoughts.. I've been on 3 ssri's and experienced it, they're a bandaid that makes the problem much worse in many cases.

Bloody suicide pills
 

SmokeyMcChokey

Well-Known Member
Better question is who of us is even remotely qualified to answer the poll with anything other than anecdotal opinion
 

charface

Well-Known Member
As for the poll, we can only answer based on what we have heard or experienced.

I trust that in some people certain Chemical's will react adversely in a small percentage of the population.

We also dont know how many lives are saved by the majority of the people who react positively to them.
Thus not killing themselves or others.

The list would be to long to read.

Anesthesia kills some people but im in no hurry to get open heart surgery without it.
 

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
One of the examples cited in the OP was someone who went to his doctor for insomnia.

That's not a mental health condition.

The other side of the coin is that people with mental health problems will do destructive time at a higher rate than the general population.

The Hippocratic oath says, 'first, do no harm'.

It would be interesting to see a double blind study, using a similar population for both medication and the control group.

Do we even have any solid evidence these drugs are 'safe and effective' in the first place?
 

charface

Well-Known Member
I agree, that there is some inherent danger with any chemical.

When you add to that the over prescribing as you mentioned above for "insomnia" those numbers are going to go up.

And I hate to blame parents because I have a son who is schizophrenic but
There is no way he would not be taking his meds or building bombs in my garage without me knowing.

So again its not just the meds.
Its also being given out like candy and parents are overwhelmed or just plain lazy and checking out and just hoping for the best.
 

chiqifella

Well-Known Member
these drugs were originally intended for people who were a danger to themselves or to others.
so get this, while you're suicidal with mental anguish we're going to send you home and trust you
to take these as prescribed. nice
 

charface

Well-Known Member
these drugs were originally intended for people who were a danger to themselves or to others.
so get this, while you're suicidal with mental anguish we're going to send you home and trust you
to take these as prescribed. nice
I remember life before they cut funding for mental institutions.
I also remember being in jail after that.

So many mental cases in jail its sickening. They got no extra help and they did get preyed on.

Im kind of libertarian leaning but I wish we had more court mandated medication. Its sad seeing people you know are on a bad path but nothing can be done until commit crimes.

So, into jail, abused, hopefully stable on release, trusted to take meds.

Im talking about major mental health cases.

Not simple depression
 

chiqifella

Well-Known Member
I remember life before they cut funding for mental institutions.
I also remember being in jail after that.

So many mental cases in jail its sickening. They got no extra help and they did get preyed on.

Im kind of libertarian leaning but I wish we had more court mandated medication. Its sad seeing people you know are on a bad path but nothing can be done until commit crimes.

So, into jail, abused, hopefully stable on release, trusted to take meds.

Im talking about major mental health cases.

Not simple depression
have you seen the instances of this class of drugs being prescribed
to the overwhelming number of inmates....before they got to jail?
 

charface

Well-Known Member
have you seen the instances of this class of drugs being prescribed
to the overwhelming number of inmates....before they got to jail?
Honestly I know of no one who i feel acted out as a result of the medication in my personal life.
But again, how would I know.

And im not saying it don't happen.

Also I don't sit around studying the numbers.
 

chiqifella

Well-Known Member
Honestly I know of no one who i feel acted out as a result of the medication in my personal life.
But again, how would I know.

And im not saying it don't happen.

Also I don't sit around studying the numbers.
I know a few "act outs", but the fact is the majority of these shooters are taking these drugs, that cant be ignored or played off like a coincidence can it? If they all used marijuana, opiates, mushrooms, spice, etc..... the news/gov/parents etc would find blame in that right? why not the same with this class of experimental psychotropic drug use. not directed towards you, this is the only place in all my years I've heard this type of denial, its eye opening.
 

chiqifella

Well-Known Member
Just curious what you are recommending as an alternative that is completely safe and effective?

See, its a hard one
kinda silly right? first we have to admit there is a problem before we can remedy it. Its no wonder this continues
I'm not qualified to offer the mentally ill children any alternatives in a marijuana forum
 

charface

Well-Known Member
I know a few "act outs", but the fact is the majority of these shooters are taking these drugs, that cant be ignored or played off like a coincidence can it? If they all used marijuana, opiates, mushrooms, spice, etc..... the news/gov/parents etc would find blame in that right? why not the same class of experimental psychotropic drug use. not directed towards you, this is the only place in all my years I've heard this type of denial, its eye opening.
I hear ya, i wish I had an answer but I don't.
I think the pills are doing more good than harm. I don't know what the numbers would look like if we banned these drugs.
 
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