How do you get rid of the tire - older guys. Six Pack Abs - not a beer six pack

SensiPuff

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Wrong, the only advantages to a fast metabolism is that you can eat more junk.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/02/170216103923.htm
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/05/160517141125.htm
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/02/170223124259.htm

One researcher said that "The company that discovers a pill that can do what fasting does will make more money than Apple
Wrong. A higher metabolism means your body burns more calories without exercise. As I said in my first post, what you eat isn't as important as being in caloric deficit. More/smaller meals. Don't starve yourself. You can cheat i.e. eat a slice of chocolate cake, but try to keep it to a once a week. Eating clean isn't as fun, but once you break free from processed foods it is hard to return to them.
On a side note about digestion, bubbies saurkraught with live bacterium is fantastic for gut health. They don't boost your immune system but they help regulate it and keep the bad bugs in check. I recommend fermented foods to anyone with weakened immune or digestive troubles.
 

jonsnow399

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Wrong. A higher metabolism means your body burns more calories without exercise. As I said in my first post, what you eat isn't as important as being in caloric deficit. More/smaller meals. Don't starve yourself. You can cheat i.e. eat a slice of chocolate cake, but try to keep it to a once a week. Eating clean isn't as fun, but once you break free from processed foods it is hard to return to them.
On a side note about digestion, bubbies saurkraught with live bacterium is fantastic for gut health. They don't boost your immune system but they help regulate it and keep the bad bugs in check. I recommend fermented foods to anyone with weakened immune or digestive troubles.
Wrong. If you don't overeat you don't need a faster metabolism, and you shouldn't go without exercising anyway Caloric restriction is proven to extend life. I am a type 2 diabetic and i've studied this stuff for years off and on. Small meals keep blood glucose levels high. Intermittent fasting lowers them.
I do agree with the probiotics I got some sauerkraut fermenting right now. Thanks for the heads up on the Bubbies tho, I didnt know you could buy the unpasteurized stuff. If its the real deal I won't DIY anymore! Since I started Keto and intermittent fasting my Triglycerides and Cholesterol levels are down , A1c is 5.9 and fasting glucose is around 90. A doctor wouldn't even know I had diabetes by those tests.
 

Dr.Amber Trichome

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dr. Gundry said Probiotics are ok for a while but they are a waste of money because they eventually stop working. On the other hand Prebiotics keep working indefinitely.
 

Fubard

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Wrong. If you don't overeat you don't need a faster metabolism, and you shouldn't go without exercising anyway Caloric restriction is proven to extend life. I am a type 2 diabetic and i've studied this stuff for years off and on. Small meals keep blood glucose levels high. Intermittent fasting lowers them.
I do agree with the probiotics I got some sauerkraut fermenting right now. Thanks for the heads up on the Bubbies tho, I didnt know you could buy the unpasteurized stuff. If its the real deal I won't DIY anymore! Since I started Keto and intermittent fasting my Triglycerides and Cholesterol levels are down , A1c is 5.9 and fasting glucose is around 90. A doctor wouldn't even know I had diabetes by those tests.
Only took me 5 months to get lower than that, and not by using your method
 

ANC

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Eat one meal a day like me... I have very little physical activity due to health problems, but I am reasonably thin for my length and age.
I did develop a penchant for sweet coffee and sugary shit this last year or so, and it quickly puts a bubble on my stomach, but goes away as soon as I stop.
 

Fubard

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Genetics plays a huge part, I just look at a cream cake and I'll put on 2lbs but others I know can eat like starving wolves and not put on an ounce.

You got lucky in the genetics department.

But one suggestion for with the sugary shit is, when making your own, ditch the sugar for Tagatesse (tagatose is the sweetener's name, Tagatesse is the brand). We don't have sugar in the house and a friend who said she can always tell when a sweetener is being used couldn't tell we gave her "sugar free" sponge cake. Costs more than the usual cheap sweeteners like saccharin and sucralose, but the taste cannot be rivalled in tea, coffee, cakes, cookies, whatever. Best one I've found.

I avoid Stevia like the plague, it has a rather "explosive" effect on my intestines, my 3-step chilli is gentler on my gut than that stuff. You may also be lucky there, worth trying.

Get the right one then all the pleasure without the guilt, can't go wrong there.
 

ANC

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Dunno about the genetics bit, my grandma was one of the biggest people I have seen with my own eyes.
 

jonsnow399

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dr. Gundry said Probiotics are ok for a while but they are a waste of money because they eventually stop working. On the other hand Prebiotics keep working indefinitely.
Probiotics are the beneficial bacteria, they never stop working unless you starve them.

Question: What are probiotics and prebiotics? How can I benefit from consuming them?

Answer: Probiotics are “good” bacteria that help keep your digestive system healthy by controlling growth of harmful bacteria. Prebiotics are carbohydrates that cannot be digested by the human body. They are food for probiotics. The primary benefit of probiotics and prebiotics appears to be helping you maintain a healthy digestive system
 

Fubard

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Then your case of Diabetes is not nearly as advanced as mine, I have had at least 3 doctors tell me I couldn't get by without insulin.
It wasn't, I got lucky because I was undiagnosed with no symptoms whatsoever until my foot went up like a balloon. I don't want to think what would have happened if my foot hadn't gone off the way it did.

Dietitian told me to lose 5kg in a year (they always say that, it's easily achievable to anyone without any major changes), I told her "No, I can do that standing on my head, you'll get at least 10", and went on to drop 15 in 5 months by eating better, but less of it. I now eat three per day, healthy breakfast instead of "just coffee", main meal around midday and something light at night. Snacking in between is cut out unless it's a little fruit, usual substitute for snacking is a cup of decent Earl Grey tea as that has been shown to have an effect on cholesterol and blood sugar, in a good way, thanks to the bergamot that gives it the flavour and because your belly feels that something has gone into it, the feeling of hunger goes. Grains, fresh fruit, red meat, white meat, you name it apart from anything high in fats and/or sugars goes in, just the quantities have changed. As said before, white bread is eliminated, same with traditional white wheat flour (Buckwheat flour's one of the best to substitute white flour, makes a lovely sauce base it does) so bread's are multigrain, spelt, oat, or it's pumpernickel/sourdough.

Everyone's different, you can't say that because you have type 2 that fasting of any kind is the only way to get rid of the gut, the only thing that is common across everyone is "shovel in less energy than you use", that's the only way that does actually work, even with certain medical issues which promote the gaining of weight, as I know someone with thyroid issues who still lost 10kg in 3 months by changing her lifestyle and diet just a little bit so she used more energy than she shovelled in.
 

jonsnow399

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Dunno about the genetics bit, my grandma was one of the biggest people I have seen with my own eyes.
People always think that only fat people get Diabetes. There is a South african doctor who ran a lot of marathons who got it after years of strenuous exercise
 

Fubard

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Dunno about the genetics bit, my grandma was one of the biggest people I have seen with my own eyes.
Aye, but was every member of the entire family like that?

Most of my family carry too much, the skinnies are in the minority, even with differences in the same family unit eating the same diet.

We're not all the same, that's where genetics does play a part alongside lifestyle and diet.
 

CannaBruh

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calories, track them and be ruthless, do heavy weight training (if possible if not, swimming?) and if you want cardio (just do the cardio because it's good for you)

keep it simple, track calories, then dive into the details later
 

Fubard

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People always think that only fat people get Diabetes. There is a South african doctor who ran a lot of marathons who got it after years of strenuous exercise

Most common factors nowadays is carrying too much blubber thanks to shovelling too much in. Age used to be the bigger factor, but nowadays with so many people who are of the younger persuasion who can't walk past a pie shop that one's gone by the wayside.

I thought I'd dodged the bullet as diabetes is something that runs rampant through my family, but I didn't so I got hit with the triple of age, weight and genetics, or Old Fat Bastard Diabetes as I call it. I can control one of the factors, and if I had done so earlier I would have likely dodged this bullet.
 

jonsnow399

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It wasn't, I got lucky because I was undiagnosed with no symptoms whatsoever until my foot went up like a balloon. I don't want to think what would have happened if my foot hadn't gone off the way it did.

Dietitian told me to lose 5kg in a year (they always say that, it's easily achievable to anyone without any major changes), I told her "No, I can do that standing on my head, you'll get at least 10", and went on to drop 15 in 5 months by eating better, but less of it. I now eat three per day, healthy breakfast instead of "just coffee", main meal around midday and something light at night. Snacking in between is cut out unless it's a little fruit, usual substitute for snacking is a cup of decent Earl Grey tea as that has been shown to have an effect on cholesterol and blood sugar, in a good way, thanks to the bergamot that gives it the flavour and because your belly feels that something has gone into it, the feeling of hunger goes. Grains, fresh fruit, red meat, white meat, you name it apart from anything high in fats and/or sugars goes in, just the quantities have changed. As said before, white bread is eliminated, same with traditional white wheat flour (Buckwheat flour's one of the best to substitute white flour, makes a lovely sauce base it does) so bread's are multigrain, spelt, oat, or it's pumpernickel/sourdough.

Everyone's different, you can't say that because you have type 2 that fasting of any kind is the only way to get rid of the gut, the only thing that is common across everyone is "shovel in less energy than you use", that's the only way that does actually work, even with certain medical issues which promote the gaining of weight, as I know someone with thyroid issues who still lost 10kg in 3 months by changing her lifestyle and diet just a little bit so she used more energy than she shovelled in.
It wasn't, I got lucky because I was undiagnosed with no symptoms whatsoever until my foot went up like a balloon. I don't want to think what would have happened if my foot hadn't gone off the way it did.

Dietitian told me to lose 5kg in a year (they always say that, it's easily achievable to anyone without any major changes), I told her "No, I can do that standing on my head, you'll get at least 10", and went on to drop 15 in 5 months by eating better, but less of it. I now eat three per day, healthy breakfast instead of "just coffee", main meal around midday and something light at night. Snacking in between is cut out unless it's a little fruit, usual substitute for snacking is a cup of decent Earl Grey tea as that has been shown to have an effect on cholesterol and blood sugar, in a good way, thanks to the bergamot that gives it the flavour and because your belly feels that something has gone into it, the feeling of hunger goes. Grains, fresh fruit, red meat, white meat, you name it apart from anything high in fats and/or sugars goes in, just the quantities have changed. As said before, white bread is eliminated, same with traditional white wheat flour (Buckwheat flour's one of the best to substitute white flour, makes a lovely sauce base it does) so bread's are multigrain, spelt, oat, or it's pumpernickel/sourdough.

Everyone's different, you can't say that because you have type 2 that fasting of any kind is the only way to get rid of the gut, the only thing that is common across everyone is "shovel in less energy than you use", that's the only way that does actually work, even with certain medical issues which promote the gaining of weight, as I know someone with thyroid issues who still lost 10kg in 3 months by changing her lifestyle and diet just a little bit so she used more energy than she shovelled in.
I never said that fasting was the only way to get rid of the gut. But fasting does much more than that. Unlike the phony "Cleanses" that people pay a lot of money for fasting really does cleanse your system

"The 2016 Nobel Prize in Physiology Or Medicine went to a Japanese gentleman by the name of Yoshinori Ohsumi for his discoveries of the mechanisms behind autophagy, a cellular maintenance process - stimulated by fasting - that is critical in disease resistance, longevity and general body and brain vitality"
 

Fubard

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I never said that fasting was the only way to get rid of the gut. But fasting does much more than that. Unlike the phony "Cleanses" that people pay a lot of money for fasting really does cleanse your system

"The 2016 Nobel Prize in Physiology Or Medicine went to a Japanese gentleman by the name of Yoshinori Ohsumi for his discoveries of the mechanisms behind autophagy, a cellular maintenance process - stimulated by fasting - that is critical in disease resistance, longevity and general body and brain vitality"
And for every person who shows something "works", there's another three who say it doesn't. You are an individual, what works for you is one thing, what works for others is likely to be something totally different. As I say, your post regarding how you have studied fasting for years because of your type 2 does come across as saying you know best when the reality is that if there was one single answer, one "best way", then we would all be the same and that would be fecking boring.

Fasting of any kind, unless done properly, can be harmful to the body, no matter what your condition or genetics. Doing so regularly can also screw things up in a major way. And, if it's ok with you I'll take the advice of the experts which, so far, has put me in very good stead, over someone who can use google.
 

ANC

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Aye, but was every member of the entire family like that?

Most of my family carry too much, the skinnies are in the minority, even with differences in the same family unit eating the same diet.

We're not all the same, that's where genetics does play a part alongside lifestyle and diet.
Nah the rest of the family I met were all tall to very tall and thin.
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I was listening to an interesting podcast this morning.
The guy was laking about nutrition...in humans, but this only reflects the nutrition our food gets.
Anyway, he went on to explain that it takes several generations of the mothers having optimal healthy food for their whole lives before it starts improving the percentage of the maximum of the potential of lifespan.

Time to start looking really well after our moms, I guess.
 

Fubard

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Nah the rest of the family I met were all tall to very tall and thin.
She was the throwback then, the mixer threw the "standard" genes out and kept the "non standard" ones instead. A little change here, little more of this, little less of that, there's the result.

That's why I laugh at people saying "You have to cut out all carbs", "Go Vegan", "High protein" and so on, because one size does not fit all and, in all honesty, some of the suggestions here could do more harm than good.

If there's no underlying medical condition, then a lifestyle change is what is necessary and not a diet, quick fixes never work permanently and that's why people start yo-yoing around as they don't make the basic changes necessary.

And, of course, make sure you know your blood work, where you are deficient and where you are excessive and adapt your own diet to suit instead of using supplements, it'll do you far more good in the long term.
 

ANC

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I believe all our problems originate from poor diet, not just in food choice but the quality degradation of the same foods.
 

gsp#1

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Track calories works, I have seen it work on multiple people, if you wanna take it a step further you can track your macros too. Look up IIFYM.

I notice people saying genetics is a factor, I read somewhere recently that if you get obese you actually pass on obese genes to your kids through the sperm
 
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