Opinion on botanicare nutes?

Aeroknow said:

Absolutely just the cns17 usually works killer!
With all my buddies setups around the bay area and using their tap water, 15ml/gal(around 1.7-1.8EC) is perfect, nothing else. When I was using it, I was adding a little calmag though(in coco), after they ditched the soil/coco formula. I have extremely soft water where i'm at. I'm surprised you haven't fallen short of either Ca or Mg seeing that you're starting with RO. Interesting. Prob not in coco?

Grow for veg and through stretch in bloom.
Bloom for weeks 3-6.
Ripe for last few weeks.
Easy fuckin peasy.

Fucking killed it with the stuff, but i'm mostly hydro right now and the white snot clogs shit up so I'm not using the stuff right now or i prob would be.

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I think all the botanicare lines are set up like that. Although they recomend more of course.

I only use pure blend pro grow all the way through in ocean forest. And about 15 ml every watering after the soil is depleted. Sometimes with those Thai heavy strains only 10ml.

I use .3 EC deep well water.

The Kind trio worked the same but decided between bottles. And when I ditched the bloom nothing really changed.

I do get some salt buildup in my #3 little pots if I don't back off soon enough but really no issues ever.

Don't need cal mag here. Well water is about right.

MichiganMedGrower said:

I only use pure blend pro grow all the way through in ocean forest. And about 15 ml every watering after the soil is depleted. Sometimes with those Thai heavy strains only 10ml.

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At one of my setups, in 7gal pots of tupur, I think i'm gonna go back to the PBP here real soon. I haven't rocked the stuff for at least 6-7 yrs now, but it was always 15ml/gal with that stuff too nothing else.

Aeroknow said:

Absolutely just the cns17 usually works killer!
With all my buddies setups around the bay area and using their tap water, 15ml/gal(around 1.7-1.8EC) is perfect, nothing else. When I was using it, I ended up adding a little calmag though(in coco), after they ditched the soil/coco formula. I have extremely soft water where i'm at. I'm surprised you haven't fallen short of either Ca or Mg seeing that you're starting with RO. Interesting. Prob not in coco?

Grow for veg and through stretch in bloom.
Bloom for weeks 3-6.
Ripe for last few weeks.
Easy fuckin peasy.

Fucking killed it with the stuff, but i'm mostly hydro right now and the white snot clogs shit up so I'm not using the stuff right now or i prob would be.

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no I run in pure coco

I dont mess with my ec though
I start out and end with the same ec
same concept as using something like Jacks or other salts

so when they are young or small clones they go straight to 1.8ec
you will see slight defeciency the first week or 2
and then it clears up

I dont like adding Calmg because I dont use bloom or ripe so I dont like the extra N



straight coco in veg

What I do is a bit different as I continue to use veg ferts the 1st 2 weeks of flowering, then switch to a 50/50 mix of veg/bloom for 2 more weeks and then switch over to full bloom until flushing. i find my plants do better with some extra Nitrogen in early flowering and they won't yellow out too soon- the plants just seem to stay healthy longer.........I add Hydroplex (Botanicare's bloom enhancer) starting in week 4 thru week 7. Lastly, stop the Cal/Mag the last 2+ weeks....

Picture is exactly week 5 (35 days), today actually. Very healthy, stink is really strong, I think from the Kurple Fantasy which has great resin production going on. Most excited about the 3 Jew's Gold (Kosher Kush) as I've never had it before- they are the 3 tallest plants in the room even with a topping. Also excited by the Chocolate Cheese freebie seeds by E$kobar from Sannie's shop. He speaks VERY highly of these, and I'm probably keep one of these alive for a re-veg and maybe a hybrid project. Most of these plants will go between 9-10 weeks, except the Purple Storm which is supposed to go around 8 weeks.

my very best performer has been a Botanicare line, currently organicare dry ferts in flower and bottled in veg. nothing compares.
the very best smoke any one has ever had is grown with organicare/botanicare imo, in dirt too

I own a hydro store and even though I don't sell much Botanicare from my own experience since 2003 its one of the better foods out there and gives a nice clean taste to buds. Locally GH outsells eveything 20:1 but for people that would like to change or try something new I always recommend Botanicare Pure Blend Pro.

However I tell people to save their money on Karma as its just humic and seaweed and there are cheaper options.

Im a big fan of dyna grow but ill try that look good and simple .i always keep low ppm 600.

That will be my next mix . Way more bottle then dynagro but ill see the difference bettwen natural and synthetic nut .

5 week and 5 days dyna grow nute and some potasium sulfate

swedsteven said:

Im a big gan of dyna grow but ill try that look good and simple .i always keep low ppm 600.
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That will be my next mix . Way more bottle then dynagro but ill see the difference bettwen natural and synthetic nut .
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5 week and 5 days dyna grow nute and some potasium sulfate
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Nice job! What is your nute line up? I am backing down my PPMs.

When do you use the sugar? Does it really help? Thanks.

MMJ Dreaming 99 said:

Nice job! What is your nute line up? I am backing down my PPMs.

When do you use the sugar? Does it really help? Thanks.

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I dont use it yet that run was dyna grow all the way and still 2 week to go .

Did not find there sweet so went for those i never use them with dyna grow .
I will start the sugar 2 week before flowering when i put the bennies and will use it half strenght until the flush .

MMJ Dreaming 99 said:

Nice job! What is your nute line up? I am backing down my PPMs.

When do you use the sugar? Does it really help? Thanks.

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Molasses (or sugar as you say) is not meant to bulk up plants. It is meant to feed the microbes. Your plant makes carbohydrates (sugars) on it's own. It exudites (my spelling is prolly off here but I am drunk on vacation so I apologize lol), these sugars into the root zone to feed the microbes in the soil. These microbes in turn, break down the organic matter in your soil into plant uptakeable nutrients. Your plant, in it's heavily developing stages, will use their energy for other tasks first...so not as many carbohydrates are being sent out thru it's roots. So adding carbs (sugars) with molasses, or similar simple sugar substances...will feed that microherd. And that microherd will break down what's in your soil so your plant can uptake it. But the sugar does not go into your plant. My apologies if you already knew that...but I have explain this assumption frequently lol. So I assume a bit. Compost tea does the same thing...that being said, transplant is a good time. Every three to four weeks, is good. Maybe less depending on the quality of your soil or compost. You 100% do not want to over do it. Microbes in soil are like humans at a buffet. They need to eat the other stuff...but if you give them enough sugar to eat...that's all they will eat.

So DynaGrow's - grow, bloom, silica and what else? Dyna seems to be a straight shooter and value provider of nutes.

swedsteven said:

Im a big fan of dyna grow but ill try that look good and simple .i always keep low ppm 600.
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That will be my next mix . Way more bottle then dynagro but ill see the difference bettwen natural and synthetic nut .
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5 week and 5 days dyna grow nute and some potasium sulfate
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Not trying to salt your game bro but if you're using stuff out of a bottle you are not growing natural or organic.

These plants are grown in recycled soil (like used promix) with compost and some of the amendments listed below. If you're going fresh from scratch use this recipe.

15% peat moss, pine bark, or coco coir
35% aeration (I prefer Perlite or rice hulls but course Sand, and pumice are other options
50% composted organic matter (this could be compost, composted cow or horse manure, worm castings, leaf mold). I prefer a combination of as many different kinds of compost I can but whatever is available to you and the best quality is what you should lean on.

Neem Seed Meal or Neem Cake 1/2 cup per cubic foot
Crab shell meal or shrimp shell meal 1/2 cup per cubic foot
Fish Bone Meal 1/2 cup per cubic foot
Gypsum 1/2 cup per cubic foot
Langbeinite 1/4 cup per cubic foot
Kelp meal 1/2 cup per cubic foot
Alfalfa meal 1/4 cup per cubic foot
Oyster shell flour 1/4 cup per cubic foot

No cooking or any of that layering super soil bullshit. Five weeks into flower. Four more to go.




No bloom boosters. Just a compost tea at transplant and when the plants were first switched into flower (Lined the bottom of a five gallon bucket with a compost, 4-5 tbsp of molasses...aerated for 24 hours...diluted with 20 gallons of water). Other than that just plain water that's all they will get until they finish.

To fertilize this room with bottled nutes would cost $900-$1,200...and that's getting them wholesale from the guy that makes them. It cost less than $100 to put this room together.

MMJ Dreaming 99 said:

So DynaGrow's - grow, bloom, silica and what else? Dyna seems to be a straight shooter and value provider of nutes.

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Water, water, and water dog. That all those are. With just a touch of synthetic crap. If you want to grow synthetic I suggest hitting up fertilizerbrokerage.com and just buying the stuff they make those from.

They use a pinch of mono potassium phosphate, a pinch of potassium silicate, a pinch of nitrates, humic acid derived from leonardite, a tiny bit of fermented kelp meal. And lots of water, then they want you to dilute it with more water. And they make mad money.

Magnesium sulfate too...you can literally look up their recipes on this site.

My apologies if I don't belong on this thread! I'm drunk and all my vacation friends passed out early! I've got nothing to do but shit on other growers (respectfully of course!). It just hurts my heart to know anyone is buying grow store nutrients. Y'all could be saving so much money, growing such better smoke, and not polluting your local water table.

Wsup dude nice plant there but not that much productive i like to keep all my top at the same level .
Im not seeking for organic but just getting away from syntetic nut .
I feed my benies with the sugars not the plant evry one no that .

swedsteven said:

Wsup dude nice plant there but not that much productive i like to keep all my top at the same level .
Im not seeking for organic but just getting away from syntetic nut .
I feed my benies with the sugars not the plant evry one no that .

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Not all The plants are even cause it's a demo room. Some plants in two and a half gallon pots, some in seven gallons, some in ten, and five in a 50-60 gallon soil bed. We're too busy to fuck with making sure every top is even, we let them produce up and down the plant as you can see.

If you're buying bottled nutes you are still synthetic, the "organic" bottled nutes are still mostly chemical components or fermented extracts with chemical preservatives...and then heavily watered down. Huge wastes of money. Just trying to look out for you friend! Follow my soil recipe above and you can grow your tops however you want, you will be 100 percent happier than you are now. I bet my balls on it son!

MMJ Dreaming 99 said:

So DynaGrow's - grow, bloom, silica and what else? Dyna seems to be a straight shooter and value provider of nutes.

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The president of dyna Grow recommends foliage pro and silica only all the way through. He admits the bloom bottle was made due to popular demand. He knows the ratio has nothing to do with plants demands.

He did an interview about cannabis nutrition on the dude Grows show.

Rasta Roy said:

Magnesium sulfate too...you can literally look up their recipes on this site.

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Neem Seed Meal or Neem Cake 1/2 cup per cubic foot
Crab shell meal or shrimp shell meal 1/2 cup per cubic foot
Fish Bone Meal 1/2 cup per cubic foot
Gypsum 1/2 cup per cubic foot
Langbeinite 1/4 cup per cubic foot
Kelp meal 1/2 cup per cubic foot
Alfalfa meal 1/4 cup per cubic foot
Oyster shell flour 1/4 cup per cubic foot
Half compost
My old promix do i add dolomite to fix ph 5.5 or dont need cause its organic
Already full of perlite
Do i had some bennies to

Ill do a side by side 1 light straight organic with the same clone from same mother whish u right !!!