dabbindylan
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What is the best solvent to run close loop...who is best source to get that solvent... why is it that you went with your choice.
I chose propane from bvv
I chose propane from bvv
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Fadedawg
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We typically run n-Butane or n-Butane/n-Propane mixes to 50/50%. Some of my past clients swear by Iso-butane/Propane mixes.
Propane lightens color by not picking up as many C-30 molecules, but a mix with n-Butane improves yield and flavor.
Our LPG source is typically Apis Labs in Eugene, OR. [email protected]. High quality domestic Instrument Grade gas at a good price and they ship.
Propane lightens color by not picking up as many C-30 molecules, but a mix with n-Butane improves yield and flavor.
Our LPG source is typically Apis Labs in Eugene, OR. [email protected]. High quality domestic Instrument Grade gas at a good price and they ship.
dabbindylan
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Do you use recovery pumps or passive
dabbindylan
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Soxhlet is impossible to source in the amount i need..i would also need a stil reclamation setup. Im using gases.
dabbindylan
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They got a phone number or website? Propane and butane have differnt recovery temps.?? Would they mix?? Or layer and separate??
gwpharms
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Correct. You would need a simple distillation setup to reclaim. Most soxhlets you see easily available on ebay are small. There is industrial sized ones
Ive seen them large enough for me to get inside of. And there is other similar extractors. The soxhlet was invented by franz von soxhlet in 1877 i think. Many newer more improoved variarions have been made since. There is a sox on ebay that fits 5 oz of trim. 70/51 joint size 1000ml
If industrial size is not typical. I use this setup but with the above mentioned soxlets and filter each suspension into a 12 liter still for reclaim. Only thing you need for a reclaim setup would be a liebig condenser. And the vacuum of course
Ive seen them large enough for me to get inside of. And there is other similar extractors. The soxhlet was invented by franz von soxhlet in 1877 i think. Many newer more improoved variarions have been made since. There is a sox on ebay that fits 5 oz of trim. 70/51 joint size 1000ml
If industrial size is not typical. I use this setup but with the above mentioned soxlets and filter each suspension into a 12 liter still for reclaim. Only thing you need for a reclaim setup would be a liebig condenser. And the vacuum of course
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gwpharms
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Yup they do. There is about 12 different poisons in butane. All differant properties. Thats what makes it butane.
Mmmmmmm tasty
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Fadedawg
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The owner is Jay and Apis is 541-359-5153.
They mix just like gasoline and motor oil mix and stay mixed, unless fractionally distilled, which you're not. We are recovering way above both of their boiling points.
Fadedawg
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Might you share which 12 poisons you refer to, and at what exposure levels they are toxic?
Poison is in the dosage. Oxygen is toxic to us above about 75%, because the blood cells saturate in it and stop taking away the CO2.
1,500,000 annual deaths from water borne diseases............. You don't want to hear what they've found in mother's milk.
The 3rd part forensic lab we used to answer the question once and for all, provided us with this attached list, which is longer than 12 items and every one of them is toxic at some level, including the butane and any oxygen or water included.
More at: https://skunkpharmresearch.com/bho-mystery-oil/ and pre-distillation at https://skunkpharmresearch.com/vacuum-distilling-butane/
That brings us to the key point that is missed by those chanting the "bad butane" mantra, which is that actual analysis shows that none of the components are remotely close to toxic level, by orders of magnitude, so the chant comes across as just poorly informed background noise, unless a person has something new and exciting of substance to offer.
Might you share your data of substance?
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gwpharms
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Depends what kind. Read msds. A few have already been mentiond.send some to the lab and see. Im sure youve seen somones dirty bho test from their first time. Petroliums
Safe levals of poison in my eye are ZERO and how toxic something really is will be in the eye of the beholder.but your right toxins are EVERYWHERE
Maybe thats why your mothers milk is toxic. Would you be ok with your wife blasting bho and doing dabs and then feeding your child? Probably should avoid them as much as possible and learn about what we put in our bodies where it comes from and how its made.
Take all the studies with a grain of salt my friend. What you see is driven by the all mighty $$$$. Especially what you see on google. Follow the money my. If im paying to have a clinical study best believe the results will suite me. Even a third-party can be biased by Benjamin and his twin brothers in some way.
So the fda or whoever says 900ppm of butane is safe? Squirt some on your french fries at lunch today and every day from here on out.
I just say why use it when there is sooooo many other ways far less risky
Safe levals of poison in my eye are ZERO and how toxic something really is will be in the eye of the beholder.but your right toxins are EVERYWHERE
Maybe thats why your mothers milk is toxic. Would you be ok with your wife blasting bho and doing dabs and then feeding your child? Probably should avoid them as much as possible and learn about what we put in our bodies where it comes from and how its made.
Take all the studies with a grain of salt my friend. What you see is driven by the all mighty $$$$. Especially what you see on google. Follow the money my. If im paying to have a clinical study best believe the results will suite me. Even a third-party can be biased by Benjamin and his twin brothers in some way.
So the fda or whoever says 900ppm of butane is safe? Squirt some on your french fries at lunch today and every day from here on out.
I just say why use it when there is sooooo many other ways far less risky
gwpharms
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You might have noticed by now im a natualist. I spent the mid to late 80's doing r and d on a line of low voc and solvent based inks and delivery systems for commercial printing. And latex a little.
Health environmental concerns are paramount. Outgassing of these solvents is a must for the end users products to perform to spec. And the health if the people using them.just from what ive seen, and smelled.lol
I stay away from that stuff now thank you very much
Just not properly rinsing your glass ware can leave detectable ppm
Where can i get acs reagent or histological grade butane?
Health environmental concerns are paramount. Outgassing of these solvents is a must for the end users products to perform to spec. And the health if the people using them.just from what ive seen, and smelled.lol
I stay away from that stuff now thank you very much
Just not properly rinsing your glass ware can leave detectable ppm
Where can i get acs reagent or histological grade butane?
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dabbindylan
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Your sox has more poisons then our gas homie...more efficient to use a propane butane mix thank you fadedawg. As fofor gw appreciative of your input im process huge amountbof fan leaf
dabbindylan
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Doesnt matter what solvent u use..ill use hexanes and water n get a pure product free of carcinogens n can get 100% reclamation
Fadedawg
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Why not pour some axle grease on them while your at it, given that it has nothing to do with extracting with butane and removing residuals to below the same FDA standards the rest of our pharmaceuticals and food items are held to?
Truth is shorter than fiction. Anything besides hyperbole and generalized arm waves to share?
Fadedawg
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Mostly I note you are using gwpharms for an avatar, without being GW Pharmaceutical, or Gray Wolf, and are speaking authoritatively, without providing tangible details.
Might you share what combination of training and experience qualifies you to speak with such authority?
gwpharms
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Sorry my friend ive been away. Wasnt avoiding you. Just came in on the red eye
Ha ha
Forgive my typos.very tired.
Blue text that must mean your at def con 4 already. Sorry to keep you waiting
Seriously with all do respect to the efforts in research made by your pharms over the past 10 years. I think were from 2 different worlds.
We make homeopathic pharmaceuticals in a lab for the elderly ,termanily ill disabled, children seriously infirmed
Your speaking of cooking drugs in your garage to get your friends high.
Im sure they are ok with a few ppm refined petroleum in their end product. My people are not.
My screen name is nothing to do with my business its actually a rather hilarious inside joke between my grads and i. But nothing to do with you or anyone here. Just a screen name.Funny coincidence in your case though im glad you read so much into it.
I will eat anything i use in this process and do.
You want evidence?
Why will you not try say, 20cc butane in your mouth? Cover the nozel with a towel release the gas and inhale?
Just once per week.
Make a clinical study out of yourself if your so confident in what the oil company and narrow sighted data tells you.
I do not and have not always worked soley with cannabis. But it remains to me one of the most facinating and miraculous things in nature.
My love affair with her began in college not when someone passed me a joint at a party but when i discovered her through study. In books.
lol. dirty pictures.
Then i sought it out.
So much we can make with cannabis to help end all human suffering. Absolutely remarkable.
Until about 12 years ago i worked with a federal license to handle with such illicit things. Now that i no longer maintain that, until cannabis recognizes federal legitimacy i will keep my anonymity in public cannabis forums. Ive some things i consider rather proprietary in my lab so to take the pictures people have asked for ive had to stage them in another room which is a pain in the ass. And showing our note books, research data and third party testing. Nuh uh. Sorry
I can only appeal to ones common sense and intellect and encourage they look and learn for themselves beyond the gas cloud.
The rest of you please to block me
And perhaps the paranoid conspiracy theorist in me fear retaliation from some oil company thugs. Not reslly but perhaps. Could happen right?
I do not have the time or paid staff like yourself to compile data and copy paste and attach it to defend my brand and its interest. Dont really need to. Thats your 9-5 not mine. You have counterparts doing the same job in many industries.
We would have to have conference series with some folks at the ama and discuss this more in depth. Maybe hook you up to an ekg cardiograph have you do some dabs and see what we find.
There is evidence of long term health effects from bho all over. But i think you need to see for yourself in a clinical setting.
The fact that you think we can debate whats safe and how much for who and why in a few paragraphs and a couple attached references in a forum is absolutley ridiculous.
There is loads of data out there on the dangers of butane and you know it. I dont do other peoples home work you look and decide. Dig deeper than a few pages of your google search. Dig through some archives. One study says this the other says that.
Thats your cookie cutter boiler plate response to anyone from the scientific community that questions gas pharms. "Well show us your evidence of where we are wrong, weres your data copy past attach copy paste attach"
If only it were that simple.
I understand you are protecting your brand its tech and all the stuff that goes along with it.
lots of fuel oil vacuum ovens and such being sold because of you guys.very admirable what you have built in such a short time. A handful of hobbiest doing analytical research in a garage.Thank god for lack of clear cannabis regulation huh? Lots of others making money because of you guys too. The poor butane companies could only find good use for their product in lighters until people like you came around when marijuana laws changed. Not good enough for anything but lighter fluid. Well they created a new market for it didnt they? How many silicone mold degassing chambers do you think were sold annually 10 years ago? I bet there selling alot more now huh? Slap a different label on it and violla. I give you the super purgenator 9000.
It is very obvious where your invested interest are.Nothing wrong with it as long as you sleep well at night. Fda studies are bought and sold every day. If i had big oil money id buy me one too. Your biased copy paste data means nothing to me
You know not every extraction and vacuum distillation yeilds the same numbers every time. So many people dont even bother to have their products tested for residual solvents. They assume its ok because other people are doing it too. Unless you have an aprooved lab chemistry education and follow strict lab guideline and proto call i will recommend people not use denatured methods and there is no reason to anyways so why do it? Why encourage it? To suite the interest of your sponsors? So many people think wax and shatter are the only concentrates out there and butane is the only way to make them. So sad what is being done to this wonderful species. Stuffing her in a tube and blasting gasoline through her.
Deplorable
From what i seen butane is the root of all your tech
sorry but i truley am concerned about the health and well being of all my fellow humans. Im inharantly empathetic. I come from a line of various type of healers.maybe its learned i dont know I truley cannot stand to see human suffering. Empathy may be my downfall.
The 5 second rule does not apply in my world.
To tell a guy in his backyard is going to produce a 100 percent clean product every time is just not realistic and you know this no matter how proven your tech is.
Everything is going to be differant everytime. lots of things have to be done percisley. Contamination can come from every where.
Hypothetically,
if i see you take that stir rod out of the THF wipe it off and put it in something else. I will fold you like a piece of paper and toss you up the fume hood. Rinse clean dry steralize everything properly every time.
Because you guys put out shatter that shows 300ppm residual solvents does not mean joe back yard chemist is going to. Im assuming you guys test as much or more frequently than i (every kilo) but soooooo many people are not. Very scarry to me
New things come to light everyday and regulations change like the wind. Id recommend your farm get out ahead of this and hang up the gas pumps before this does gain federal legitimacy and more clinical studies come to light. You dont want to be left holding the can of butane when they do. Put the organic back in your farm
These studies are going on now you can read them for yourself im not doing your research for you. Poke your head out of the gas cloud its s big world out there and you don't have to look far to find a doctor to bad mouth bho.maybe ask your physician how much bho he recommends?
Goodbye my friend im done here. please put me on block as i will you if I ever descide to come back. The things being discussed and promoted here are appauling its no wonder anyone reputable in the medical community would want to read and discuss any of this with you people.
So many compounds out there in mother nature that do nothing on their own but our brains and bodies have the pass codes to unlock their potential. That can only mean they were put here for us. Dont destroy them
Ha ha
Forgive my typos.very tired.
Blue text that must mean your at def con 4 already. Sorry to keep you waiting
Seriously with all do respect to the efforts in research made by your pharms over the past 10 years. I think were from 2 different worlds.
We make homeopathic pharmaceuticals in a lab for the elderly ,termanily ill disabled, children seriously infirmed
Your speaking of cooking drugs in your garage to get your friends high.
Im sure they are ok with a few ppm refined petroleum in their end product. My people are not.
My screen name is nothing to do with my business its actually a rather hilarious inside joke between my grads and i. But nothing to do with you or anyone here. Just a screen name.Funny coincidence in your case though im glad you read so much into it.
I will eat anything i use in this process and do.
You want evidence?
Why will you not try say, 20cc butane in your mouth? Cover the nozel with a towel release the gas and inhale?
Just once per week.
Make a clinical study out of yourself if your so confident in what the oil company and narrow sighted data tells you.
I do not and have not always worked soley with cannabis. But it remains to me one of the most facinating and miraculous things in nature.
My love affair with her began in college not when someone passed me a joint at a party but when i discovered her through study. In books.
lol. dirty pictures.
Then i sought it out.
So much we can make with cannabis to help end all human suffering. Absolutely remarkable.
Until about 12 years ago i worked with a federal license to handle with such illicit things. Now that i no longer maintain that, until cannabis recognizes federal legitimacy i will keep my anonymity in public cannabis forums. Ive some things i consider rather proprietary in my lab so to take the pictures people have asked for ive had to stage them in another room which is a pain in the ass. And showing our note books, research data and third party testing. Nuh uh. Sorry
I can only appeal to ones common sense and intellect and encourage they look and learn for themselves beyond the gas cloud.
The rest of you please to block me
And perhaps the paranoid conspiracy theorist in me fear retaliation from some oil company thugs. Not reslly but perhaps. Could happen right?
I do not have the time or paid staff like yourself to compile data and copy paste and attach it to defend my brand and its interest. Dont really need to. Thats your 9-5 not mine. You have counterparts doing the same job in many industries.
We would have to have conference series with some folks at the ama and discuss this more in depth. Maybe hook you up to an ekg cardiograph have you do some dabs and see what we find.
There is evidence of long term health effects from bho all over. But i think you need to see for yourself in a clinical setting.
The fact that you think we can debate whats safe and how much for who and why in a few paragraphs and a couple attached references in a forum is absolutley ridiculous.
There is loads of data out there on the dangers of butane and you know it. I dont do other peoples home work you look and decide. Dig deeper than a few pages of your google search. Dig through some archives. One study says this the other says that.
Thats your cookie cutter boiler plate response to anyone from the scientific community that questions gas pharms. "Well show us your evidence of where we are wrong, weres your data copy past attach copy paste attach"
If only it were that simple.
I understand you are protecting your brand its tech and all the stuff that goes along with it.
lots of fuel oil vacuum ovens and such being sold because of you guys.very admirable what you have built in such a short time. A handful of hobbiest doing analytical research in a garage.Thank god for lack of clear cannabis regulation huh? Lots of others making money because of you guys too. The poor butane companies could only find good use for their product in lighters until people like you came around when marijuana laws changed. Not good enough for anything but lighter fluid. Well they created a new market for it didnt they? How many silicone mold degassing chambers do you think were sold annually 10 years ago? I bet there selling alot more now huh? Slap a different label on it and violla. I give you the super purgenator 9000.
It is very obvious where your invested interest are.Nothing wrong with it as long as you sleep well at night. Fda studies are bought and sold every day. If i had big oil money id buy me one too. Your biased copy paste data means nothing to me
You know not every extraction and vacuum distillation yeilds the same numbers every time. So many people dont even bother to have their products tested for residual solvents. They assume its ok because other people are doing it too. Unless you have an aprooved lab chemistry education and follow strict lab guideline and proto call i will recommend people not use denatured methods and there is no reason to anyways so why do it? Why encourage it? To suite the interest of your sponsors? So many people think wax and shatter are the only concentrates out there and butane is the only way to make them. So sad what is being done to this wonderful species. Stuffing her in a tube and blasting gasoline through her.
Deplorable
From what i seen butane is the root of all your tech
sorry but i truley am concerned about the health and well being of all my fellow humans. Im inharantly empathetic. I come from a line of various type of healers.maybe its learned i dont know I truley cannot stand to see human suffering. Empathy may be my downfall.
The 5 second rule does not apply in my world.
To tell a guy in his backyard is going to produce a 100 percent clean product every time is just not realistic and you know this no matter how proven your tech is.
Everything is going to be differant everytime. lots of things have to be done percisley. Contamination can come from every where.
Hypothetically,
if i see you take that stir rod out of the THF wipe it off and put it in something else. I will fold you like a piece of paper and toss you up the fume hood. Rinse clean dry steralize everything properly every time.
Because you guys put out shatter that shows 300ppm residual solvents does not mean joe back yard chemist is going to. Im assuming you guys test as much or more frequently than i (every kilo) but soooooo many people are not. Very scarry to me
New things come to light everyday and regulations change like the wind. Id recommend your farm get out ahead of this and hang up the gas pumps before this does gain federal legitimacy and more clinical studies come to light. You dont want to be left holding the can of butane when they do. Put the organic back in your farm
These studies are going on now you can read them for yourself im not doing your research for you. Poke your head out of the gas cloud its s big world out there and you don't have to look far to find a doctor to bad mouth bho.maybe ask your physician how much bho he recommends?
Goodbye my friend im done here. please put me on block as i will you if I ever descide to come back. The things being discussed and promoted here are appauling its no wonder anyone reputable in the medical community would want to read and discuss any of this with you people.
So many compounds out there in mother nature that do nothing on their own but our brains and bodies have the pass codes to unlock their potential. That can only mean they were put here for us. Dont destroy them
Afgan King
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Fadedawg
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I don't see any direct correlation between system life and Propane use, beyond it operates at higher pressures, so does add some to the wear of your pump, because you have to run it longer.
natureboygrower
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@gwpharms can I pm you?