Organic ways of lowering PH

ethabhae

ethabhae

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My King's Kush auto seeds just arrived and i want to germinate them. I search ways of lovering ph. Cos my water has 7 PH value. Somebody says lemon juice is better than vinegar. Somebody says just the opposite. Which one is true.

I used some drops of lemon to lower PH on my germination water. And also i drop AN Tarantula and some pine honey. Is that a problem? i dont want to lose my 3 seeds...

We must convey this to help people who wants to lower PH with organic ways...
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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ethabhae said:
My King's Kush auto seeds just arrived and i want to germinate them. I search ways of lovering ph. Cos my water has 7 PH value. Somebody says lemon juice is better than vinegar. Somebody says just the opposite. Which one is true.

I used some drops of lemon to lower PH on my germination water. And also i drop AN Tarantula and some pine honey. Is that a problem? i dont want to lose my 3 seeds...

We must convey this to help people who wants to lower PH with organic ways...
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wood ashes work. Oyster flour, biochar, crab meal, d-lime, etc.
most of those are best to adjust the soil's ph, rather than the water.
I wouldn't alter the ph with anything to germinate.
personally.
 
green_machine_two9er

green_machine_two9er

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Your over thinking it there.
Stick those seeds in a root riot cube. And moisten lightly!! If your planning and paper towel method or anything similar. Stop. Plant it as nature intended. Dont worry seeds can feel gravity snd know which way to grow. And 7 ph water is pretty damm perfect.
 
vostok

vostok

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Go Buy a bottle of good water at your store,

you still need good water for a few weeks anyway

until they toughen up some

nows the time to spoil them rotten ....lol
 
shredder4

shredder4

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ethabhae said:
My King's Kush auto seeds just arrived and i want to germinate them. I search ways of lovering ph. Cos my water has 7 PH value. Somebody says lemon juice is better than vinegar. Somebody says just the opposite. Which one is true.

I used some drops of lemon to lower PH on my germination water. And also i drop AN Tarantula and some pine honey. Is that a problem? i dont want to lose my 3 seeds...

We must convey this to help people who wants to lower PH with organic ways...
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As mentioned ph7 water is fine in organic soil.

But it is helpfull to know things that can raise ph in soil to begin with. Like lime, especially dolimite lime. Liquid silica, DE, biochar can all raise ph.

And molasses, most any fermented fertilizers, fertlizers with high N like fish in general can lower ph. Store bought organic fertilizers like earth juice products not only are fermented, but the fermenting is stopped, so bottles don't explode, with acids. And of course these acids along with humic and fulvic acids can lower ph.
.

So in general if you know your water is high ph, like 7.5 or up, try to use things that won't add to the problem.

And the opposite is true as well but maybe less common. Low ph? Add lime.

If your soil becomes high ph, feeding low ph feeds will take your soil through a ph swing. The ph will adjust itself, and the ph will ussually return to close to what is was before the feeding. But during that ph swing things become available in more favorable ph that might not have been available before.

And keep in mind plants spend up to 30% of their energy putting carbon (sugars) back into the soil to feed microbes they favor in a symbiotic relationship. So simply put plants and soil microbes can and do change ph to suit their needs as well.

Another reason to get and use the best compost you can get. The microbes in good compost can really make a difference. So maybe just a change in thinking is needed, instead of feeding your plants, make the mental shift to feeding and nurturing your soil microbes. The plants will know what to do from there.
 
Corso312

Corso312

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ethabhae said:
My King's Kush auto seeds just arrived and i want to germinate them. I search ways of lovering ph. Cos my water has 7 PH value. Somebody says lemon juice is better than vinegar. Somebody says just the opposite. Which one is true.

I used some drops of lemon to lower PH on my germination water. And also i drop AN Tarantula and some pine honey. Is that a problem? i dont want to lose my 3 seeds...

We must convey this to help people who wants to lower PH with organic ways...
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7 pH is very good from the tap, Nutes lower the PH .. You probably don't need to adjust anything if u grow in soil.

What's wrong with a 10$ bottle of pH down that lasts 2 plus years.?
 
outlier

outlier

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Was curious about this myself as my water is stored in a concrete tank and the ph is pretty insane (9-10 this time of year).

Noticed while I was testing rainwater around the house that a small amount caught in my son's tonka truck had a few gum leaves in the bottom. I was shocked to see the ph at 5.1. Ran some tests over the past few days and eucalyptus leaves most certainly do lower the ph a large amount in a relatively short period of time.

I 1/2 filled a 5 gal bucket with dried crushed gum leaves and filled with water. Starting ph was 9.8 and 22ppm (NaCl). Left for 12 hours stirring a few times, strained the leaf matter and was left with a liquid at ph 5.0 and 224ppm.

Urine is also acidic. Pissed in a 5 gal bucket full of water, start ph was 9.7 and end ph was 4.3. It was one of those highly concentrated first piss in the morning types though... lol :bigjoint:

So yeah, if you're gonna piss on your plants, make sure you water it down cause it could be like near straight ph down! Haha! :bigjoint:
 
outlier

outlier

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So I just tested my gum leaf juice. I can use a 30/70 mix (30% leaf juice + 70% ph 9.7 water) to get a ph of 7.0 and 48ppm. That's about the same if I use phosphoric acid ph down (to get down to 7.0 I am at about 46-50ppm). Will leave this for 24 hours and see how stable it is. Certainly much cheaper than ph down. I am using a shit tonne of it.
 
personal lux

personal lux

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shredder4 said:
As mentioned ph7 water is fine in organic soil.

But it is helpfull to know things that can raise ph in soil to begin with. Like lime, especially dolimite lime. Liquid silica, DE, biochar can all raise ph.

And molasses, most any fermented fertilizers, fertlizers with high N like fish in general can lower ph. Store bought organic fertilizers like earth juice products not only are fermented, but the fermenting is stopped, so bottles don't explode, with acids. And of course these acids along with humic and fulvic acids can lower ph.
.

So in general if you know your water is high ph, like 7.5 or up, try to use things that won't add to the problem.

And the opposite is true as well but maybe less common. Low ph? Add lime.

If your soil becomes high ph, feeding low ph feeds will take your soil through a ph swing. The ph will adjust itself, and the ph will ussually return to close to what is was before the feeding. But during that ph swing things become available in more favorable ph that might not have been available before.

And keep in mind plants spend up to 30% of their energy putting carbon (sugars) back into the soil to feed microbes they favor in a symbiotic relationship. So simply put plants and soil microbes can and do change ph to suit their needs as well.

Another reason to get and use the best compost you can get. The microbes in good compost can really make a difference. So maybe just a change in thinking is needed, instead of feeding your plants, make the mental shift to feeding and nurturing your soil microbes. The plants will know what to do from there.
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This here is good advice, also to be noted even switching over to a Peat based medium which degrades and lowers soil ph over time
 
vostok

vostok

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outlier said:
Was curious about this myself as my water is stored in a concrete tank and the ph is pretty insane (9-10 this time of year).

Noticed while I was testing rainwater around the house that a small amount caught in my son's tonka truck had a few gum leaves in the bottom. I was shocked to see the ph at 5.1. Ran some tests over the past few days and eucalyptus leaves most certainly do lower the ph a large amount in a relatively short period of time.

I 1/2 filled a 5 gal bucket with dried crushed gum leaves and filled with water. Starting ph was 9.8 and 22ppm (NaCl). Left for 12 hours stirring a few times, strained the leaf matter and was left with a liquid at ph 5.0 and 224ppm.

Urine is also acidic. Pissed in a 5 gal bucket full of water, start ph was 9.7 and end ph was 4.3. It was one of those highly concentrated first piss in the morning types though... lol :bigjoint:

So yeah, if you're gonna piss on your plants, make sure you water it down cause it could be like near straight ph down! Haha! :bigjoint:
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The ammonia smell you left behind in your pee,

is the bacteria breaking down the nitrates

don't hold it in too long, you may starve your babes .....lol
 
cannakis

cannakis

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Nobody said this,
but Apple Cider Vinegar is my preference.
My water is 9.4! I pH to about 6.5-7.5 give or take...

I believe a 1/2 tsp lowers 2gal by 1pH.

I use Only Bragg's Raw Unpasteurized ACV, it is the best besides making your own... Which I'll get around to eventually; have tried it didn't look to good but I think the mold Is good, anyways.

And if your water is 7 like everyone says don't worry about it... And also do NOT feed your seedlings... I use straight tap and my pH is 9.4! The nutes kill babes.
 
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