Speediest Cubes

gabechihua

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Looking to grow some shrooms for the first time in about twelve years and was looking for a speedy strain to get the party moving. Visuals would be nice too, but speedy is the first thing I'm looking for. If I could get an expert like canndo or someone who has grown several strains it would be much appreciated, thanks.
 

DaSprout

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For me. F+ and B+. Both are good reliable and euphoric. F+ gives me a more "drunken body" of euphoria. B+, more of a kush in a blunt type of high. Of course you will get the visuals. Yadda yadda yadda. But the base main euphoric sensations for these particular "races" (for me) have been consistent. These are the fastest of the ten cube races i've grown thus far.
 

Bublonichronic

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" a cube is a cube. "

unless it is Penis Envy
I kinda believe that, if there is a difference it's really subtle IMO, atleast I haven't noticed the difference in the high, notice more of a difference in colonization times, but apparently pe is suppose to be one of the more potent cubes
 

HeatlessBBQ

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I kinda believe that, if there is a difference it's really subtle IMO, atleast I haven't noticed the difference in the high, notice more of a difference in colonization times, but apparently pe is suppose to be one of the more potent cubes
this is very true.
the only thing I have really found in difference in cubes are colonization times and how prone one is to contamination.

but You are right, I have never found any research that any kind of cubes give a different effect or potency. besides aborts of course.
 

WHODAT@THADOR

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" a cube is a cube. "

unless it is Penis Envy
Are Penis Envy's speedy, or just really strong.
All cubes are not created equal in the sense that the Mycorrhizae are more aggressive in some strains then others. As well some are more forgiving then others which make some strains better for a first grow. PE is not one of these the Myc. is a slow colonizer and because of that makes the substrate more susceptible to contamination. PE are more potent because they are denser then the average cubensis which has a hollow stype. Some are barely hollow at all.


EDIT: Meant to say mycelium not mycorihizae
 

canndo

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Anecdotal of course, it may be that the slower growing types are stronger.

It may be that substrate composition may affect potency.

It may be that flush precession affects potency.

If we look at most psychoactive plants (or fungus)

We see that the mechanism of production is imprecise. Cactus has upwards of ten different and varying alkaloids. Pot has more, hell, even the lowly poppy has a good handful (trace amounts of hydrocodone have been found). Some of these analogs or isomers (ask duck, I am only his devoted deciple), seem to modulate, enhance, color or defeat the effects of each other.

Coca has a small variety, which is why chewing leaves is different than snorting an isolate, yet even here we find that poorly extracted powder has subtle differences. Peyote, to me anyway, has actives that seem to muddle the primary psychoactive mescaline.

The classic red mushroom has muscarine and muscarol and who knows what else.

Why should a cube be different?

I am aware of three different substances in cubes. There is a possible fourth, one that accompanies an enzyme that stains green rather than blue.

But there may be more. I am unaware of any definitive study of such.

Now we know that one is said to dissapate when exposed to air.

If we were to presume that psylocybin is absolutely the only active chemical, then a cube is a cube, varying in potency only slightly.

But if there are others, or if there are inert substances that metabolize in the body into other substances then indeed there may be a variety of different effects.

What is known is that the presence of baeocystine imparts your "speedy" effect. Some species are much higher in this substance than others, cubes are inherently low.

Now I have very often heard that different types of cubes impart various effects. Euphoric, visual, body, sleepy, vibrant, colorful and the like.

I have always discounted this because "a cube is a cube" but I have often heard the same descriptions from various people who unknowingly attributed the same characteristics to the same types.

So I am hesitant to make a blanket assessment.
 

DaSprout

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Anecdotal of course, it may be that the slower growing types are stronger.

It may be that substrate composition may affect potency.

It may be that flush precession affects potency.

If we look at most psychoactive plants (or fungus)

We see that the mechanism of production is imprecise. Cactus has upwards of ten different and varying alkaloids. Pot has more, hell, even the lowly poppy has a good handful (trace amounts of hydrocodone have been found). Some of these analogs or isomers (ask duck, I am only his devoted deciple), seem to modulate, enhance, color or defeat the effects of each other.

Coca has a small variety, which is why chewing leaves is different than snorting an isolate, yet even here we find that poorly extracted powder has subtle differences. Peyote, to me anyway, has actives that seem to muddle the primary psychoactive mescaline.

The classic red mushroom has muscarine and muscarol and who knows what else.

Why should a cube be different?

I am aware of three different substances in cubes. There is a possible fourth, one that accompanies an enzyme that stains green rather than blue.

But there may be more. I am unaware of any definitive study of such.

Now we know that one is said to dissapate when exposed to air.

If we were to presume that psylocybin is absolutely the only active chemical, then a cube is a cube, varying in potency only slightly.

But if there are others, or if there are inert substances that metabolize in the body into other substances then indeed there may be a variety of different effects.

What is known is that the presence of baeocystine imparts your "speedy" effect. Some species are much higher in this substance than others, cubes are inherently low.

Now I have very often heard that different types of cubes impart various effects. Euphoric, visual, body, sleepy, vibrant, colorful and the like.

I have always discounted this because "a cube is a cube" but I have often heard the same descriptions from various people who unknowingly attributed the same characteristics to the same types.

So I am hesitant to make a blanket assessment.
Back in 2012. I had a flush. Don't remember wht strain all bruise an iridescent green instead of blue. I thought that it was due to too much nitrogen from the poultry manure. They were still great. And my F+ does give me a sleepy/drunken euphoria that converts to an average visual experience. My Treasure coast takes alot like pans. Closer to pan in taste than cubes. The effect is a more pure euphoria and visually intense. Both were grown from the same prepared sub batch. Corn infused with calcium and worm castings.
 

WHODAT@THADOR

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Anecdotal of course, it may be that the slower growing types are stronger.

It may be that substrate composition may affect potency.

It may be that flush precession affects potency.

If we look at most psychoactive plants (or fungus)

We see that the mechanism of production is imprecise. Cactus has upwards of ten different and varying alkaloids. Pot has more, hell, even the lowly poppy has a good handful (trace amounts of hydrocodone have been found). Some of these analogs or isomers (ask duck, I am only his devoted deciple), seem to modulate, enhance, color or defeat the effects of each other.

Coca has a small variety, which is why chewing leaves is different than snorting an isolate, yet even here we find that poorly extracted powder has subtle differences. Peyote, to me anyway, has actives that seem to muddle the primary psychoactive mescaline.

The classic red mushroom has muscarine and muscarol and who knows what else.

Why should a cube be different?

I am aware of three different substances in cubes. There is a possible fourth, one that accompanies an enzyme that stains green rather than blue.

But there may be more. I am unaware of any definitive study of such.

Now we know that one is said to dissapate when exposed to air.

If we were to presume that psylocybin is absolutely the only active chemical, then a cube is a cube, varying in potency only slightly.

But if there are others, or if there are inert substances that metabolize in the body into other substances then indeed there may be a variety of different effects.

What is known is that the presence of baeocystine imparts your "speedy" effect. Some species are much higher in this substance than others, cubes are inherently low.

Now I have very often heard that different types of cubes impart various effects. Euphoric, visual, body, sleepy, vibrant, colorful and the like.

I have always discounted this because "a cube is a cube" but I have often heard the same descriptions from various people who unknowingly attributed the same characteristics to the same types.

So I am hesitant to make a blanket assessment.
Well to clarify my sentiments on a "cube is a cube" . I believe that they all play w/in a spectrum each strain, this includes PE in my opinion. Slower colonization has been observed in species that produce big fruiting bodies such as Laetiporus, Grifola etc. As the fungus needs more nutrients to produce the fruiting bodies so maybe that is the case with PE. I also, believe potency to be relative to flush,substrate, and the individual mushroom itself. I have read many articles on substrate and its relevance to potency and believe that to be an important factor. Norbaeocystin has been found l believe in trace amounts in cubes and maybe thats what you where thinking of canndo?

Heres some more random stuff ....bored again
SPECIES% PSILOCYBIN% PSILOCIN% BAEOCYSTINREFERENCE
P. azurenscens 1.78 .38 .35 Stamets and Gartz 1995
P. bohemica 1.34 .11 .02 Gartz and Muller 1989; Gartz (1994)
P. semilanceata .98 .02 .36 Gartz 1994
P. baeocystis .85 .59 .10 Repke et al. 1977; Beug and Bigwood 1982(b)
P. cyanescens .85 .36 .03 Stijve and Kuyper 1985; Repke et al. 1977
P. tampanensis .68 .32 n/a Gartz 1994
P. cubensis .63 .60 .025 Gartz 1994; Stijve and de Meijer 1993
P. weilii .61 .27 .05
P. hoogshagenii .60 .10 n/a Heim and Hofmann 1958
P. stuntzii .36 .12 .02 Beug and Bigwood 1982(b); Repke et al. 1977
P. cyanofibrillosa .21 .04 n/a Stamets et al. 1980
P. liniformans .16 n/d .005 Stijve and Kuyper
 
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WHODAT@THADOR

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Here is the original Bigwood and Beug paper on potency variations.

I only omited the three photographs which just show shrooms in a jar and freezed dried shrooms in a plastic baggie, neith of which photograph was good enough to reporduce here.

mjshroomer
Variations of Psilocybin and Psilocin Levels with Repeated Flushes (Harvests) of Mature Sporocarps of Psilocybe Cubensis (Earle) Singer.

By
Jeremy Bigwood and Michael W. Beug
(Evergreen State College, Olympia, Washington.

Summary

Analysis of Psilocybe cubensis (Earle) Singer) grown in controlled culture showed that the level of psilocin was generally zero in the first (or sometimes even the second) fruiting of the mushroom from a given culture and that the level reached a maximum by the fourth flush. The level of psilocybin, which was nearly always at least twice the level of psilocin, showed no upward or downward trend as fruiting progressed, but was variable over a factor of four. Samples obtained from outside sources had psilocybin levels varying by over a factor of ten form one collection to the next.

Introduction

When undertaking quantitative analysis of psilocybin and psilocin levels in the Pacific Northwest species, we generally found large variations from one collection to another even within one species and even when all collections were made from a single location (Beug and Bigwood, 1982). In investigating biosynthetic pathways in the formation of psilocin and psilocybin in Psilocybe cubensis (Earle) Singer, we also observed variations in psilocybin and psilocin levels from one fruiting to the next (Chilton, 1979). WE therefore stet out to grow a selected Amazonian strain of Psilocybe cubensis (Earle) Singer in carefully controlled cultures and study the variations of psilocybin and psilocin levels with time. We also report here on the observed variation of psilocybin and psilocin levels with repeatted flushes from a single culture and the variation observed in other strains.

Experimental

The strain of Psilocybe cubensis cultivated in this study originated from a spore print taken in the Amazon basin near Pucalpa, Peru (Repke et al., 1977). Mycelium obtained from the spore print was kept as a stock culture on various agars. Since only one flush (fruiting) could be obtained from agar plates, we used a rye-grain medium, described initially in San Antonio (1971), refined by Oss and Oeric (1976), and adapted to "miniculture" by us. A wide-mouth half-pint jar (~250 ml) was charge with 10 g of rye grain and 15 ml of water and autoclaved. It was then inoculated under sterile conditions with a mycelium culture on agar. Every four days for a period of 28 days, weight per miniculture. Each flush was harvested as soon as the sporocarps were mature. The mushrooms ere the jars were shaken to distribute the growing mycelium evenly on the grain. In 28 days, the mycelium had covered the grain and the jars were then opened and the grain was cased (covered with a layer about 2 cm deep) with 2 parts peat : 1 part calcium carbonate : 2 parts perlite and/or vermiculite. The mushrooms were "watered" once every two days with 1 ml of sterile water via syringe. The first flyush (fruiting) occurred four to five weeks after inoculation (about two weeks after casing). The minicultures continued to produce mushrooms for at least 20 weeks provided they remained uncontaminated. They yielded an average of 2.7 g dry weight per miniculture. Each flush was harvested as soon as the sprocarps were mature. The mushrooms were immediately freeze-dried, sealed in plastic and stored at—5 degrees Celsius until analysis. Voucher specimens were prepared for deposit in the University of Washington Herbarium (WTU).

The extraction procedure and analysis was described in the previous paper. The reversed-phase high performance liquid chromatograms were quantified wioth a Hewlett-Packard 3380! Reporting integrator-plotter and calibrated against standards from the National Institute on Drug Abuse. We found a linear relationship (plus/minus 10% repeatability) between concentration and peak area from 0.2 to 3 micrograms total psilocybine or psilocin. The detection limit was about 0.01 micrograms psilocybin or psilocin. The HPLC results were qualitatively confirmed by TLC using butanol-acetic acid-water (12:3:5).

Results

We found that the levels of psilocybin varied somewhat unpredictably from one flush to the next, but generally were much the same on the last flush as they were on the first flush (Table 1). Psilocin, on the other hand, generally was absent in the first one or two flushes, each maximixed by the fourth flush, and then appeared to start to decline (Table 1). Unfortunately, we could generally not follow the decline appreciably since five flushes is normally the maximum we can get before the mycelium stops fruiting. (With miniculture 1, we obtained a sixth flush but the fifth flush was totally consumed in another experiment and is not reported here.)

In two other strains grown by other sources, we also observed nearly complete absence of psilocin in the first flush . In These, we analyzed the caps and stems separately and found that the caps generally contained twice as much psilocybin as the stems, but that the small amount of psilocin present was entirely in the stems (Table 2). In contrast, our Amazon strai hasd a trace of psiloin in the cap but not in the stem. The cap and stem contained equal amounts of psilocybin.

Finally, we analyzed five street samples of Psilocybe cubensis for which we did not know the flush number or the precise growing conditions (Table 3). We found highly variable levels of psilocybin and low levels of psilocin.

TABLE 1
The dry weight variation of psilocybin and psilocin levels in Psilocybe cubensis as a function of flush number (quantified by HPLC.
Miniculture No. 1
Psilocybein—Psilocin
(mg/g) (mg/g)
1 8.3---------------0.5
2 6.5---------------1.5
3 13.3---------------1.0
4 4.8---------------2.6
5 --/--------------/--
6 6.8---------------0.5

Miniculture No. 2
Psilocybin—Psilocin
(mg/g) (mg/g)
1 5.1---------------0
2 7.3---------------0
3 4.7---------------1.7
4 3.7---------------2.9
5 5.2---------------2.2
6 --/--------------/--

Miniculture No. 3
Psilocybin—Psilocin
(mg/g) (mg/g)
1 7.6---------------0
2 6.2---------------0
3 5.3---------------0.9
4 3.2---------------1.8
5 6.7---------------1.7
6 --/--------------/--

TABLE 2
Distribution of psilocybin and psilocin in the cap versus the stem in three strains of Psilocybe cubensis cultivated on rye-grain substrate
M. R. strain-
First flush
Psilocybin Psilocin
(mg/g) (mg/g)

Caps 9.7---------0
Stems 4.2---------0.35


Equadorian Strain
First flush
Psilocybin Psilocin
(mg/g) (mg/g)

Caps 7.6--------0
Stems 4.7--------0.4


Amazon Strain
First flush
Psilocybin Psilocin
(mg/g) (mg/g)

Caps 5.7--------0.1
Stems 5.7--------0


TABLE 3
Psilocybin and psilocin levels in dried psilocybe cubensis "street samples" (all samlples were from material cultivated on a rye-grain substrate)

Sample Psilocybin Psilocin
No. (mg/g) (mg/g)
1---------------5.6----------------0
2---------------6.2----------------0
3---------------0.7----------------0.3
4---------------0.7----------------0.3
5---------------1.3----------------0.3

Conclusions


We found that the level of psilocybin and psilocin varies over a factor of four among various cultures of Psilocybe cubensis grown under rigidly controlled conditions, while specimens from outside sources varied tenfold. IT is clear that entheogenic (Ruck et al., 1979) and recreational users of this species have no way of predicting the amount of psilocybin and psilocin that they are ingesting with a given dry weight of the mushrooms. It thus seems likely that variations in the subjective experience will not only come from the effects of set and setting but will also stem in very real measure rom large dosage differences.

References

Beug, Michael W. and Jeremy Bigwood. 1982. Psilocybin and psilocin levels in twenty species from seven genera of wild mushrooms in the Pacific Northwest, U.S.A. Journal of Ethnopharmacology vol. 5:271-285.

Chilton, Scott., Bigwood, Jeremy and R. E. Jensen. 1979. Psilocin, Bufotonine and serotonin : Historical and Biosynthetic Observations. Journal of Psychedelic Drugs Vol. 11:61-69.

Oss, O. T. and Oeric, O. N. 1976. Psilocybin Magic Mushroom Growers Guide. And/Or Press, Berkeley, California.

Repke, Carl A. P., Leslie, Dale T., and Gastón Guzmán. 1977. Psilocybe, Conocybe and Panaeolus. Lloydia Vol. 40:566-578.

Ruck,Carl A. P., Bigwood, Jeremy., Staples, Danny., Ott, Jonathan and R. Gordon Wasson. 1979. Entheogens. Journal of Psychedelic Drugs Vol. 11:145-147.

San Antonio, J. P. 1971. A laboratory method to obtain fruit from cased grain spawn of the cultivated mushroom : Agaricus bisporus. Mycologia vol. 63:16-21
 

WHODAT@THADOR

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[paste:font size="4"]Psilocybin / Psilocin Dosages Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World , reports that a "manageable dose" of psilocybin/psilocin would be around 0.25 milligrams per kilogram of body weight (mg/kg) and a high dose to be 0.5 mg/kg. A low dose is probably around 0.125 mg/kg. This translates to low dose to high dose range of 10 mg-40 mg for an 80 kg adult.

Confusingly, Hofmann wrote that 4-8 mg of psilocybin is a medium dose, but this is not consistent with more contemporary research or Stamets writings. The current estimates are that medium oral doses are between 10 and 20 mg for most people. Less than 10 mg is probably light and above 20 will be strong for most.

Using the figures from the technical literature for the percent active principal of dry weight, it is possible to roughly approximate psilocybin/psilocin milligram doses from the species and mass of the material. For example, the common species p.semilanceata contains very roughly 1% or 10 mg/g of the active principals psilocybin and psilocin combined, hence a medium dosis of this mushroom is roughly 1-2g dried material for most people, corresponding neatly to the 10-20 mg stated above.

As a rule of thumb, 10 grams of wet mushrooms is the equivalent of 1 gram dry, in other words fresh mushrooms are 90% water. The actual water percentage varies by species and also by how wet the mushrooms are. Fresh mushrooms can go from mostly dry to very soggy and the wet to dry ratio will vary accordingly. When using any new batch of mushrooms, experienced psilocybiphiles strong recommend starting out low since potencies in a single strain can vary so much. Also keep in mind that psilocybin and psilocin are both equally potent and baeocystin may also have strong effects.
 

WHODAT@THADOR

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nutmeg, ginger and others. Grind the mushrooms with spices into fine powder, mix everything carefully and gulp down.

Mushroom cacao
Get some cacao beans/powder for this one. Warm some water to 40-60 C. Let the mushrooms steep in this water for about five minutes, fish 'em out and add cacao powder and mix well. Or you can grind mushrooms into fine powder. Sweeten with honey, and drink. Another variation is hot chocolate - melt some chocolate in water instead of cacao.

Mushroom tea
Drown some dried mushrooms in warm/hot water, wait five minutes, and drink. If you seriously dislike the taste of shrooms, just drink the water (although you'll lose part of the effect). I find that this is a good way of getting the shrooms down as well though, just dump in a baggy of strong tea and you won't taste a thing. Word of warning: if you leave the shrooms in for too long, they'll expand and mutate into disgusting blobs of slime. Also a nice way of getting some clue of their original appearance, provided the mushrooms are intact.

Mushrooms & orange juice
Blend an appropriate amount of fresh mushrooms and orange juice in a blender. The orange juice masks the taste quite well, the blender chops up the shrooms into tiny chunks so all the psilocybin is digested, and the vitamin C in the juice won't hurt either.

Pizzas
Just add fresh or dried mushrooms on top. Note that eating a lot adds to physical interference.

Shroom powder and liquids of choice
The finer you grind the shrooms, the better this works. Take a piece of paper and fold twice so you have a V-shape, and make a little pile of shroom powder on one end of it. Open your mouth and let the stuff flow in, then drink water/juice/tea/whatever to wash it down. Figure out an optimal pile size, and you can down the shrooms in record time with no taste and maximum psilocybin ingestion efficiency. Just be careful not to laugh or sneeze when holding the paper, otherwise you'll have to lick the carpet to get the powder... =)

Peanut Butter Sandwich
A common technique is to crumble the mushrooms onto a chunky peanut butter sandwich. The peanut butter flavor is said to mask or accompany the earthy taste of the mushrooms well.

Chew & grind
For this one, toss mushrooms into your mouth, chew well and swallow. The most efficient and simple method of mushroom ingestion. Dried mushrooms taste quite a bit more unpleasant than fresh ones.

Other recipes
I have heard about people making mushroom wine or mushroom chili. There are lots of foods you can put mushrooms into, but I'd recommend indulging in culinary pleasures after the trip. Also note that excessive heat breaks down psilocybin and psilocin, so always add the shrooms in after the food is cooked.

As you may have noted, except for the cheese on the pizza, none the recipes contain any milk or milk products. This is because several files and/or books have stated that calcium and/or fermented milk products interfere with psilocybin. Mind you, this is far from sure, if anybody can dig up a reference for (or against) this we'd appreciate it. But scientific proofs aside, the Aztec tradition of not eating before tripping is probably grounded in knowledge of possible adverse consequences, so don't eat too much, just enough to get the shrooms down.
PREPARATION FOR THE VOYAGE
There is a lot one can do to ensure a enjoyable voyage. People often talk about the "set and setting", squaking the three words like bunch of parrots and hardly giving much thought into their meaning. It's probably all the same whether you've ingested super-pure & fresh LSD-25 or nail-polishing fluid if the set and the setting aren't in condition.

Packing
Get into packing a couple of days before the voyage. Load your gear (brain) with everything you think will be useful. Personally I like documents about nature as they are easy to pack (video or TV). Books are fine but bit slower to load. Walking in nature, quiet and peaceful, and meditating ensures I get enough mental energy and happiness along. Try to break the normal circles of work, and if you are stressed, take few more days away from everything before leaving on the expedition. Go easy on your diet. Some fast for the previous week, others don't pay any attention to what and how much they eat. I eat normally until the day before, after which I eat mostly vegetables and fruits.

Place
Clean it up. Get some fresh air into it. Tell all your friends/relatives not to visit, and disconnect the doorbell and take the phone off the wall. Make everything as comfortable as possible. Fresh flowers will blow your mind with their beautiful looks and odors. A stroboscope is also worth a try, especially at 20 to 30 Hz. Lights are probably best low or off (and of white color). Music is so important we've given it its own section, coming up next.

Flight
Loose clothing and something to put on/take off; you'll be lying down most of the time, so pick something you could sleep in. Something to drink - see if your drinks include caffeine or other chemicals. Water is always the best. Some light snacks to eat during the trip, and possibly something to fill your stomach after the trip. Drawing during take-off can be fun, also psychedelic videos. Anyway, for a real "trip" I say: after the takeoff, turn the lights off, turn the volume to the edge of subliminal, and relax & tune into the vibe of the Earth.​
 

WHODAT@THADOR

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CHEMISTRY
The primary active ingredients of Psilocybe mushrooms are psilocybin and psilocin, and to a lesser extent baeocystin and norbaeocystin. The ratio of psilocybin to psilocin varies from species to species. The primary difference between the two compounds is that psilocin is unstable, considered to be more prone to destructive oxidation, and breaks down when the mushroom is dried. Psilocybin is thought to last much longer (a 115-year old mushroom sample was found to contain some).

Psilocin More Potent than Psilocybin
The two are equally psychoactive, since one molecule of psilocybin is simply metabolized into one molecule of psilocin. But in terms of weight, we find that psilocybin is less potent than psilocin. Because psilocybin can be thought of as a 'prodrug' (a drug which is not technicall active itself but is transformed into the active drug in the body), the extra mass of the phosphoryl group is essentially dead weight on the molecule. So, if one compares the two, they will see that psilocybin is, active molecule per active molecule, 1.4 times as heavy as psilocin :
molecular weight of psilocybin 284.3
------------------------------ = ----- = 1.391
molecular weight of psilocin 204.3

So by weight psilocin is around 1.4 times more potent. The formula for calculating total potency of a sample of psilocybin mushrooms, ignoring [nor]baeocystin, is thus:
(psilocybin) + (1.4 * psilocin) = total potency in 'psilocybin units'.

Because this confuses people and Erowid has received questions about this issue, we will restate it again (skip this paragraph if this is very clear to you). One molecule of psilocybin is metabolized into one molecule of psilocin, the chemical that is active in the brain. One molecule of psilocybin weighs 1.4 times the weight of one molecule of psilocin and 1000 molecules of psilocybin weighs 1.4 times the weight of 1000 molecules of psilocin. If a given number of molecules of psilocybin weighed 1 gram, the equivalent number of molecules of psilocin would weigh LESS than one gram. The definition of potency is simply a comparison of the amount (usually measured by mass or weight) of material against how active it is. Therefore, a substance that produces the same effect with less mass is said to be more potent. This is the case with psilocin, because each molecule of psilocin is lighter yet has the same effect as each molecule of psilocybin, it is said to be more potent.
Structures of Psilocybin, Psilocin, Baeocystin, and Norbaeocystin

Now, here's the structural diagram for psilocybin:

PSILOCYBIN

C12H17N2O4P

4-OPO4-DMT

4-Phosphoryloxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine

1H-Indol-4-ol, 3-[2-(dimethylamino)-ethyl] dihydrogen phosphate ester

CAS #: 520-52-5

DEA #: 7437


Once ingested, the phosphorus part is chopped off ("dephosphorylated") by the enzyme alkaline phosphatase, turning it into our other friend:

PSILOCIN

C12H16N2O

4-OH-DMT

4-Hydroxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine

1H-Indol-4-ol, 3-[2-(dimethylamino) ethyl]

CAS #: 520-53-6

DEA #: 7438


Psilocybin and psilocin are part of the tryptamine family (indole C8H7N & ethylamine side chain). Psilocybin is soluble in 20 parts water, while psilocin is only slightly soluble in water.9They bear close resemblance to the neurotransmitter serotonin. How these substances work is still quite obscure. Primary effect seems to be the inhibition of neurotransmitter serotonin (5-hydroxytryptamine aka 5-HT), i.e. a 5-HT2A post-synaptic agonist that mimics the effects to 5-HT to put it in jargon. This is the working hypothesis for LSD-25 at the moment and it's probably true for psilocybin as well. These substances also present some cross-tolerance.

Psilocybin, psilocin and psilocybian mushrooms have very low toxicity - in tests with mice, doses up to 200 mg of pure psilocybin/kg of body weight have been injected intravenously without lethal effects (that would be 13 grams of pure psilocybin per average human (65 kg / 140 lbs). The LD50:ED50 ratio (dose lethal to 50% of animals divided by the dose effective for 50% of animals) is 641 according to the NIOSH Registry of Toxic Effects; compare this with 9637 for vitamin A, 4816 for LSD, 199 for aspirin and 21 for nicotine. According to Leo Hollister, Jonathon Ott, and John W. Allen, one would have to consume their body weight in fresh mushrooms or eat approximately 19 grams of the pure chemical substance to bring on death. As long as Psilocybin mushrooms are properly identified, poisoning is not a problem.

Then we have the two other significant indole alkaloids:

BAEOCYSTIN

C11H15N2O4P

4-OPO4-MT

4-Phosphoryloxy-N-methyltryptamine

1H-Indol-4-ol, 3-[2-(methylamino)-ethyl] dihydrogen phosphate ester

CAS #: 21420-58-6

DEA #: None

The monomethyl analogue of psilocybin

Unlike psilocybin, baeocystin is somewhat unstable, and decays noticeably with age. And then we have baeocystin's close chemical cousin:

NORBAEOCYSTIN

C10H13N2O4P

4-OPO4-T

4-Phosphoryloxytryptamine

1H-Indol-4-ol, 3-[2-aminoethyl] dihydrogen phosphate ester

CAS #: 21420-59-7

DEA #: None

The demethyl analogue of psilocybin

In other words, baeocystin and norbaeocystin are just psilocybin with one methyl and two methyls respectively lopped off. When baeocystin and norbaeocystin are dephosphorylated, they turn into 4-hydroxy-N-methyltryptamine and 4-hydroxytryptamine respectively. All 4 substances are presumed hallucinogenic though some suspect they are less psychoactive than psilocin or psilocybin. And unfortunately for all you synthesis experts, while baeocystin and norbaeocystin do not have DEA control numbers they do both fall under the Controlled Substance Analogue Act.

Baeocystin and norbaeocystin are generally present in smaller quantities than psilocyin and psilocybin, if they are present at all. Very little work seems to have been done with either substance (Chemical Abstracts averages a cite a year, with most being of the variety "baeocystin found in Psilocybe totallyobscuralis"). There has been speculation about a possible correlation between baeocystin content and nausea, but at least one bioassay suggests the effects are quite similar to those of psilocybin and psilocyin.10

These are just the four "biggies". There are many other chemicals present in psilocybin-containing mushrooms, but there has been no in-depth characterization of these other chemicals. Previous versions of this FAQ have included a table listing other chemicals, based on a paper by Leung 1965, but the earlier FAQ author simply misunderstood the meaning of the table and it has been removed.

There continue to be rumors that some psilocybian mushrooms contain small quantities of DMT, yet no chemical analysis that we know of has shown the presence of DMT. If it is to be found, it's in microscopic quantities, and as DMT is not orally active without an MAOI (monoamine oxidase inhibitor), it is quite unlikely to have any noticeable effect.

The effects of psilocybin can be potentiated (made stronger) by taking them with an MAOI such as harmine or harmaline which are found in the plant Peganum harmala (Syrian Rue). This combination roughly doubles the potency of mushrooms, according to most reports. Be extremely careful when combining MAOIs and tryptamines; when using non-reversible MAOIs or large quantities of reversible MAOIs, there are number of substances you must avoid to prevent a serious hypertensive crisis. See Foods to Avoid When Using MAO-Inhibitors, as well as Drugs to Avoid when using MAOIs. Long-term health effects are also unknown. If you wish to know more, consult the Tryptamine FAQ.
 
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