The philosophy thread

New Age United

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So I've met a lot of very intelligent people on here and I know we all like to debate so this thread is for anyone who just wants to debate, any topic, no subject is off limits. Put your thoughts out there and see if we can't get something going in the philosophy thread. Absolutely any subject.
 

Dyster

Member
I feel the way you drive says a lot about how you conduct your life.
All about me me me, my life and my time is more important then yours.
That must be the tailgater kissing your bumper for twenty miles.

The constant lane changer putting on a show,
Not believing his lying eyes that there is traffic,
As far as the eyes can see.

My thoughts, based on how people drive,
Their lives are in chaos.
 

New Age United

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I feel the way you drive says a lot about how you conduct your life.
All about me me me, my life and my time is more important then yours.
That must be the tailgater kissing your bumper for twenty miles.

The constant lane changer putting on a show,
Not believing his lying eyes that there is traffic,
As far as the eyes can see.

My thoughts, based on how people drive,
Their lives are in chaos.
Yes a person's personality is expressed on the way a person drives, aspects of personality traits such as aggressiveness and passiveness, timidness and rage are all expressed on the road.
 

Dyster

Member
Yes a person's personality is expressed on the way a person drives, aspects of personality traits such as aggressiveness and passiveness, timidness and rage are all expressed on the road.
Well it is open season for chaos, the roads on the east coast are a war zone.
Never seen such distaste for one other in my 56 years brother.
I take walks in the woods to decompress from the chaos.
 
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Dyster

Member
Technology, of course has improved our lives and has made it easier.
But their are pitfalls and a whole lot of negatives also.
I was wondering what you thought about being on a 24 x7 News cycle.
People having to check every hour to see how many likes they got.
Updating Facebook like it is their jobs.

I feel major damage is being done by all of this.
I feel we are not smart enough to Handel all of this Technology .
Might as well throw in shooting and killing video games.
People have become cold, and easily irritated.
Want Instant gratification!
 

torontoke

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I think the Internet and the ease of information because of it is killing humanities social skills and values.
Having everything at your fingertips is amazing and I couldn't imagine life without it but I miss the days of someone saying hey you remember that movie with the this that or the other and it bothering you to try to remember.

Thinking is exercise for the brain and now a days not many people are doing their think ups
 

ASCIIGHOST

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BM9AGS has a deadly avatar it say "if you expect the world to be fair just because you are fair with it that is like expecting the lion not to eat you because you did not eat him"
Thats nice the nice thing about having a brain. If someone treats you unfairly, you can discontinue actions with that individual. It is not a platitude, but the foundation to the non-aggression principle.
 

New Age United

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Thats nice the nice thing about having a brain. If someone treats you unfairly, you can discontinue actions with that individual. It is not a platitude, but the foundation to the non-aggression principle.
Yes but the ties that bind get in the way, I only have a few friends that I would call good friends and even they can piss me off at times, but I suppose I can piss them off too, the golden rule holds merit, but some people are just plain aggressive and will pushover a passive person I agree with non aggression in most interactions but sometimes you have to stand your ground.
 

ASCIIGHOST

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Yes but the ties that bind get in the way, I only have a few friends that I would call good friends and even they can piss me off at times, but I suppose I can piss them off too, the golden rule holds merit, but some people are just plain aggressive and will pushover a passive person I agree with non aggression in most interactions but sometimes you have to stand your ground.
outside of personal relationships you'd have business acquaintances you'd have to interact with in a voluntary manor that is mutually beneficial to both parties. outside of personal and business relationships not much exists. its simpler than people think imho, were just so conditioned to the society presented to us.
 

Dyster

Member
I have always been a heart on my sleeve kind of guy.
I had a hard time playing the game, just to survive.
Well I am typing here,so I learned some for pure survival.

I am anti social, social enough to have a daughter in college,
Who stays with me in between semesters and the summer.
Gets me out of my anti social ways some what.
I walk this trail, I am there at dawn, so I can walk alone.

But life's too short, to just do everything society tells you.
Specially since, IMHO society today is out of its mind.
 

Heisenberg

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Cognitive dissonance. Anyone who aims to be a great thinker needs to understand this concept. It is one of the primary drivers of self-deception. Cognitive dissonance is the name given to the feeling produced when the brain tries to hold two conflicting ideas as true at the same time. There are many of our beliefs which contradict each other, because it is an impossible task for our brains to compare every single one of our beliefs with every other one for consistency. However, the brain likes consistency, because any inconsistency would suggest that the mental narrative in your head that you use to explain the world and your place in it is flawed. So when our brain discovers or is presented with conflicting beliefs, it feels uncomfortable. There is a need to reduce this feeling akin to the need to reduce the feeling of hunger or thirst. And our brains, ever valuing efficiency, seek to do this easiest way possible, which usually means lying to itself.

An obvious example of conflicting beliefs is that the world is only 6000 years old, yet evolution has happened over millions of years. Both of these things can't be true. If you already believed the earth is young, then evolution means your worldview is wrong. That doesn't feel good. There are two ways to reduce that bad feeling. We can accept the evidence for evolution and substantially change what we thought we knew, and possibly a little bit of who we thought we were, or we can find a way to reject evolution. Obviously one of those things is very hard, and one is very easy. Guess which one the brain prefers. The brain is inclined to take the easy route, and it comes equipped with an array of tools and mechanisms to help it reject information is doesn't like, while the skills needed to analyze and accept evidence must be learned and cultivated.

The more a belief is ingrained into our thinking or tied to our identity, the harder cognitive dissonance will work to conserve the narrative. Nevertheless, cognitive dissonance is there to dictate much lesser conflicts as well. It's always lurking, waiting to coddle you, to fend off your insecurities, and to justify your decisions. It's capable of affecting not only your decision making, but your perceptions, your actions, your judgments, and even your memories. The truth is you could not function without it - there would be no way to make sense of the world. That doesn't mean, however, that you should embrace it.

If you want to delve into the subject, I recommend a book called Mistakes Were Made, But Not By Me, By Carol Tavris.
 

New Age United

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Cognitive dissonance. Anyone who aims to be a great thinker needs to understand this concept. It is one of the primary drivers of self-deception. Cognitive dissonance is the name given to the feeling produced when the brain tries to hold two conflicting ideas as true at the same time. There are many of our beliefs which contradict each other, because it is an impossible task for our brains to compare every single one of our beliefs with every other one for consistency. However, the brain likes consistency, because any inconsistency would suggest that the mental narrative in your head that you use to explain the world and your place in it is flawed. So when our brain discovers or is presented with conflicting beliefs, it feels uncomfortable. There is a need to reduce this feeling akin to the need to reduce the feeling of hunger or thirst. And our brains, ever valuing efficiency, seek to do this easiest way possible, which usually means lying to itself.

An obvious example of conflicting beliefs is that the world is only 6000 years old, yet evolution has happened over millions of years. Both of these things can't be true. If you already believed the earth is young, then evolution means your worldview is wrong. That doesn't feel good. There are two ways to reduce that bad feeling. We can accept the evidence for evolution and substantially change what we thought we knew, and possibly a little bit of who we thought we were, or we can find a way to reject evolution. Obviously one of those things is very hard, and one is very easy. Guess which one the brain prefers. The brain is inclined to take the easy route, and it comes equipped with an array of tools and mechanisms to help it reject information is doesn't like, while the skills needed to analyze and accept evidence must be learned and cultivated.

The more a belief is ingrained into our thinking or tied to our identity, the harder cognitive dissonance will work to conserve the narrative. Nevertheless, cognitive dissonance is there to dictate much lesser conflicts as well. It's always lurking, waiting to coddle you, to fend off your insecurities, and to justify your decisions. It's capable of affecting not only your decision making, but your perceptions, your actions, your judgments, and even your memories. The truth is you could not function without it - there would be no way to make sense of the world. That doesn't mean, however, that you should embrace it.

If you want to delve into the subject, I recommend a book called Mistakes Were Made, But Not By Me, By Carol Tavris.
Thanks heisenberg, unfortunately I don't think anyone in their right mind would argue against you lol
 

reddan1981

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Cognitive dissonance. Anyone who aims to be a great thinker needs to understand this concept. It is one of the primary drivers of self-deception. Cognitive dissonance is the name given to the feeling produced when the brain tries to hold two conflicting ideas as true at the same time. There are many of our beliefs which contradict each other, because it is an impossible task for our brains to compare every single one of our beliefs with every other one for consistency. However, the brain likes consistency, because any inconsistency would suggest that the mental narrative in your head that you use to explain the world and your place in it is flawed. So when our brain discovers or is presented with conflicting beliefs, it feels uncomfortable. There is a need to reduce this feeling akin to the need to reduce the feeling of hunger or thirst. And our brains, ever valuing efficiency, seek to do this easiest way possible, which usually means lying to itself.

An obvious example of conflicting beliefs is that the world is only 6000 years old, yet evolution has happened over millions of years. Both of these things can't be true. If you already believed the earth is young, then evolution means your worldview is wrong. That doesn't feel good. There are two ways to reduce that bad feeling. We can accept the evidence for evolution and substantially change what we thought we knew, and possibly a little bit of who we thought we were, or we can find a way to reject evolution. Obviously one of those things is very hard, and one is very easy. Guess which one the brain prefers. The brain is inclined to take the easy route, and it comes equipped with an array of tools and mechanisms to help it reject information is doesn't like, while the skills needed to analyze and accept evidence must be learned and cultivated.

The more a belief is ingrained into our thinking or tied to our identity, the harder cognitive dissonance will work to conserve the narrative. Nevertheless, cognitive dissonance is there to dictate much lesser conflicts as well. It's always lurking, waiting to coddle you, to fend off your insecurities, and to justify your decisions. It's capable of affecting not only your decision making, but your perceptions, your actions, your judgments, and even your memories. The truth is you could not function without it - there would be no way to make sense of the world. That doesn't mean, however, that you should embrace it.

If you want to delve into the subject, I recommend a book called Mistakes Were Made, But Not By Me, By Carol Tavris.
Define your understanding of reality.
 
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