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torontoke

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I think your both forgetting the important equation to this argument and that's the term "medical"
No sense haggling over which rec system is better. The truth is either is progression from what we have now and surely to fuk if it's decrim or legal for rec they will leave us "patients" alone.
I don't give two shits where Johnny Wall Street buys his shwag to burn at the company golf tourney.fuck him and corporate weed
 

itsmehigh

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Decrimiminalize = there would be a penalty for possession just not a criminal charge, most likely a fine, like drinking in public.

Legalization = no penalties.

It's just Just common sense. There would be fines. Decriminalizing just meas an alternative penalty, like fines instead of jail.


Itsme.
 

VIANARCHRIS

Well-Known Member
I think your both forgetting the important equation to this argument and that's the term "medical"
No sense haggling over which rec system is better. The truth is either is progression from what we have now and surely to fuk if it's decrim or legal for rec they will leave us "patients" alone.
I don't give two shits where Johnny Wall Street buys his shwag to burn at the company golf tourney.fuck him and corporate weed
True, we are arguing about rec, although we're never gonna convince each other which is right! Lib or NDP should guarantee patient medical grow rights. A minority gov would help
 

cannadan

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do not settle for decriminalization .....its like a half baby step....and its the wrong approach...
they will set up a whole system within Canada...to continue to penalize....those who partake in mj or mmj
which means a ton of change to the courts system....(a reason to hire more people in all area's of enforcement.)
do we really need more rules...
there will also be a ton of spin off in a bunch of area's from ticket printing to lawyers who specialize in keeping your
name off of the tickets...
and on and on and on ......
those who propose that we decriminalize....are just looking for budget surpluses.... for general use in vote gathering,,,,
 

VIANARCHRIS

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This isn't the first time I've had this discussion with someone convinced decrim is the way to go and legalization equals loss of rights and freedoms. I don't get it. Mulcair should explain what decriminalization means if he expects people to vote for his policies. Decriminalization is a tax on pot smokers that is at the discretion of a cop. Don't know about you, but I think most have had their fill of dealing with cops harassment over weed. Weed is unofficially decriminalized in BC, most times cops will confiscate but not charge for possession. That's not good enough. I prefer legalization where everyone and their grandma can walk down the street with an oz in their pocket and it is of no more interest to the cops than your car keys.
 

c ray

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prove that he is confused by posting some evidence about fines.

all I've read is they'll decrim then study further..
 

torontomeds

Well-Known Member
prove that he is confused by posting some evidence about fines.

all I've read is they'll decrim then study further..

Decriminalization or decriminalisation is the abolition of criminal penalties in relation to certain acts, perhaps retroactively, though perhaps regulated permits or fines might still apply (for contrast, see: legalization). The reverse process is criminalization.

Decriminalization reflects changing social and moral views. A society may come to the view that an act is not harmful, should no longer be criminalized, or is otherwise not a matter to be addressed by the criminal justice system. Examples of subject matter which have been the subject of changing views on criminality over time in various societies and countries include:


While decriminalized acts are no longer crimes under local or state law, they may still be the subject of penalties under federal law; for example a monetary fine in place of a criminal charge for the possession of a decriminalized drug. This should be contrasted with legalization, which removes all or most legal detriments from a previously illegal act.


Legalization (also spelled legalisation) is the process of removing a legal prohibition against something which is currently not legal.

Legalization is a process often applied to what are regarded, by those working towards legalization, as victimless crimes, of which one example is the consumption of illegal drugs (see drug legalization).

Legalization should be contrasted with decriminalization, which removes criminal charges from an action, but leaves intact associated laws and regulations.

Proponents of libertarianism support legalization of what they regard as victimless crimes, such as recreational drug and alcohol use, gun ownership, and prostitution.

In U. S. immigration context, the term "legalization" is colloquially used to refer to a process whereby a person illegally present in the country can obtain lawful permanent residence. Since 1929, the US law has provided the legalization procedure known as registry, which simply requires the applicant to prove that he has continuously resided in the country since before a certain specified "registry date" (originally, 1921; presently, 1972), and is not inadmissible on other grounds (criminal history, etc.).[1][2] One legalization proposal that was widely discussed recently[when?] was the DREAM Act.
 

Gmack420

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Decrimiminalize = there would be a penalty for possession just not a criminal charge, most likely a fine, like drinking in public.

Legalization = no penalties.

It's just Just common sense. There would be fines. Decriminalizing just meas an alternative penalty, like fines instead of jail.


Itsme.
Show me where the NDP have said decriminalizaton equals fines. They've never said that. You're just fear MONGERING because a fine had been part of other decriminalizaton plans. It has never been part of the ndp's plan. Sorry once again you have an agenda to push so I don't expect you to speak the truth but it doesn't matter the Ndp will win this one. Jt literally has no chance! Bye bye
 

Gmack420

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Nah, I think he's just confused...and hard-headed. I'm sure at some point it'll become clear. It's all good.
No you have no PROOF. You know like a member of the Ndp saying we will millimeters a fine for possession instead of criminal conviction. But you can't find that quote be case it doesn't exist. The ndp's plan for decriminalizaton is similar to full legalization the only diffrence being you can't SELL for PROFIT! I know exactly what I'm talking about I'm not misinformed.
 

VIANARCHRIS

Well-Known Member
prove that he is confused by posting some evidence about fines.

all I've read is they'll decrim then study further..
I've posted the definition of decriminalization and the comparison to legalization. What is decrim with no penalties?....that would be called legalization. Decriminalization keeps the control with gov and the cops, it just acts as a money maker rather than costing big tax dollars for the courts. Good deal for the government and police departments, not so much for pot smokers. Legalization means you can walk down the street with weed just like you would a case of beer. Huge difference. I don't know how I can explain it any better. If Mulcair didn't want to leave punishments for possession in our laws, he would be calling for legalization.
 

c ray

Well-Known Member
maybe the NDP are secretly pro-legalization in the long term but are just using the word decrim as part of their current marketing strategy.. ie to attract con voters they might not want to use the L word..
 

Gmack420

Well-Known Member
Decriminalization or decriminalisation is the abolition of criminal penalties in relation to certain acts, perhaps retroactively, though perhaps regulated permits or fines might still apply (for contrast, see: legalization). The reverse process is criminalization.

Decriminalization reflects changing social and moral views. A society may come to the view that an act is not harmful, should no longer be criminalized, or is otherwise not a matter to be addressed by the criminal justice system. Examples of subject matter which have been the subject of changing views on criminality over time in various societies and countries include:


While decriminalized acts are no longer crimes under local or state law, they may still be the subject of penalties under federal law; for example a monetary fine in place of a criminal charge for the possession of a decriminalized drug. This should be contrasted with legalization, which removes all or most legal detriments from a previously illegal act.


Legalization (also spelled legalisation) is the process of removing a legal prohibition against something which is currently not legal.

Legalization is a process often applied to what are regarded, by those working towards legalization, as victimless crimes, of which one example is the consumption of illegal drugs (see drug legalization).

Legalization should be contrasted with decriminalization, which removes criminal charges from an action, but leaves intact associated laws and regulations.

Proponents of libertarianism support legalization of what they regard as victimless crimes, such as recreational drug and alcohol use, gun ownership, and prostitution.

In U. S. immigration context, the term "legalization" is colloquially used to refer to a process whereby a person illegally present in the country can obtain lawful permanent residence. Since 1929, the US law has provided the legalization procedure known as registry, which simply requires the applicant to prove that he has continuously resided in the country since before a certain specified "registry date" (originally, 1921; presently, 1972), and is not inadmissible on other grounds (criminal history, etc.).[1][2] One legalization proposal that was widely discussed recently[when?] was the DREAM Act.
This says fines may be involved not that there is going to be set fines. Also this text is about the word decriminalizaton in general not the Ndp's marijuana decriminalizaton plan. So again nice try. Ndp have been clear decriminalizaton means NO repercussions for possession and personal growing!
 

Gmack420

Well-Known Member
do not settle for decriminalization .....its like a half baby step....and its the wrong approach...
they will set up a whole system within Canada...to continue to penalize....those who partake in mj or mmj
which means a ton of change to the courts system....(a reason to hire more people in all area's of enforcement.)
do we really need more rules...
there will also be a ton of spin off in a bunch of area's from ticket printing to lawyers who specialize in keeping your
name off of the tickets...
and on and on and on ......
those who propose that we decriminalize....are just looking for budget surpluses.... for general use in vote gathering,,,,
Show shome proof of what you claim or stop fear MONGERING with your lies.
 

torontomeds

Well-Known Member
Show me one place that has "Decrim" that has no fines? You can not, why do you think he wants 2500 more police? it is so he can have them come give you tickets. Anyways you do you, I will do me, who ever wins I do not care long as it is not SH, but I can say with out a doubt if you are voting for anything other then all out Legal and you use it rec or med, your a chump. Free the weed.

One other thing is you keep saying gov weed etc etc, but if it becomes legal then a shit ton of opportunity will open for all of us to get into this industry, plus you can still have your home grow, to me sounds like baking my cake and eating it too. Anyways go vote for ol man tom, see what that gets you.
 

Gmack420

Well-Known Member
This isn't the first time I've had this discussion with someone convinced decrim is the way to go and legalization equals loss of rights and freedoms. I don't get it. Mulcair should explain what decriminalization means if he expects people to vote for his policies. Decriminalization is a tax on pot smokers that is at the discretion of a cop. Don't know about you, but I think most have had their fill of dealing with cops harassment over weed. Weed is unofficially decriminalized in BC, most times cops will confiscate but not charge for possession. That's not good enough. I prefer legalization where everyone and their grandma can walk down the street with an oz in their pocket and it is of no more interest to the cops than your car keys.
He has. If you'd do some reading instead of fear MONGERING over the decriminalizaton word you'd understand. But the big bad decriminalizaton word scares you. It means no penaltys for possession and personal production. Just don't sell it. Now can you see why all the goofs who sell weed on here are up in arms?
 

VIANARCHRIS

Well-Known Member
No you have no PROOF. You know like a member of the Ndp saying we will millimeters a fine for possession instead of criminal conviction. But you can't find that quote be case it doesn't exist. The ndp's plan for decriminalizaton is similar to full legalization the only diffrence being you can't SELL for PROFIT! I know exactly what I'm talking about I'm not misinformed.
Clearly you are misinformed,and I'm done. Show me proof the ndp policy is the same as legalization without sales for profit.Where is that quote? Even with legalization you couldn't sell for profit without a license. Beer is legal, you can make your own, but you can't sell it. If alcohol were merely decriminalized, you could be fined for drinking a beer. :wall:
 
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