Being the Market Leader in Canadian Cannabis

WHATFG

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Why is that funny? it would probably make the doctors happy having someone spoon feed them how much mj to prescribe instead of them doing the research themselves, it can be controlled like the government wants, and you bet your sweet ass that big pharma (GW) has more than likely already figured out how their going to deliver that oil they've been extracting to put into a spray...ya a pharmacy has no place in this scenario...lol...
 

Gmack420

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Why is that funny? it would probably make the doctors happy having someone spoon feed them how much mj to prescribe instead of them doing the research themselves, it can be controlled like the government wants, and you bet your sweet ass that big pharma (GW) has more than likely already figured out how their going to deliver that oil they've been extracting to put into a spray...ya a pharmacy has no place in this scenario...lol...
Sativex and marinol are both currently in pharmacys yet almost all PATIENTS still choose dry mj as the way to ingest cannabinoids. Mmj will not have a din. It will not be sold in shoppers unless it's fully legalized and then it will be sold like cigarettes not pharma. Besides recommending sativas or indicas what exactly do you expect doctors to research and figure out? Everyone is different. what stains helps you may not do much for me. Patients need to do the research and tell their doctors what works for them and then the doctors can figure out why a particular strain or regimen works well for one particular patient. Doctors will never be at the point where they can say x will work for you but y won't be appropriate for your medical conditions. You can't control this plant like other plants.
 

oddish

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Lol at the fact you all think shoppers drugmart will be selling weed. Nope not in the next decade at least.
You may be surprised. They're legally permitted to do so in the regulations and the markup they could charge makes it an attractive option.
What will hold them back is this 3% potency bullshit.
 

oddish

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Sativex and marinol are both currently in pharmacys yet almost all PATIENTS still choose dry mj as the way to ingest cannabinoids. Mmj will not have a din. It will not be sold in shoppers unless it's fully legalized and then it will be sold like cigarettes not pharma. Besides recommending sativas or indicas what exactly do you expect doctors to research and figure out? Everyone is different. what stains helps you may not do much for me. Patients need to do the research and tell their doctors what works for them and then the doctors can figure out why a particular strain or regimen works well for one particular patient. Doctors will never be at the point where they can say x will work for you but y won't be appropriate for your medical conditions. You can't control this plant like other plants.
They're looking at extracts, not dried flowers.
The way they do extracts now they can essentially extract the plant down to all it's base elements and re-construct a usable extract based on actual THC content, remove CBNs, add/remove CBD, etc. I've seen a few labs doing this sort of thing already in addition to research on how to lower or raise the THC in a specific batch so that it can meet these ridiculous guidelines the college of doctors put out.
 

VIANARCHRIS

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I've heard the Shopper's Drug Mart connection for a few years. Rumour was that they would be the exclusive distributor of LP weed when the mmpr was first announced. I called bs then, we ended up with mail order, so I guess I was right there. As for extracts...If they are being sold as medicine, I don't see how the government could regulate which pharmacies are able to sell them. Giving one company exclusive rights would initiate automatic lawsuits by very rich pharmacy 'left-outs'. Giving one LP the exclusive right to produce extracts will have the same results. I can see the gov wanting to regulate the dosage of extracts and use drug stores as a distributor, but I can't see them granting anyone a monopoly. If they manage to figure that out, they will then face the backlash and lawsuits from patients arguing for the right to grow and produce the strain that works for them. We will have full legal rec weed before the mmpr is fixed.
 

gb123

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Sativex and marinol are both currently in pharmacys yet almost all PATIENTS still choose dry mj as the way to ingest cannabinoids. Mmj will not have a din. It will not be sold in shoppers unless it's fully legalized and then it will be sold like cigarettes not pharma. Besides recommending sativas or indicas what exactly do you expect doctors to research and figure out? Everyone is different. what stains helps you may not do much for me. Patients need to do the research and tell their doctors what works for them and then the doctors can figure out why a particular strain or regimen works well for one particular patient. Doctors will never be at the point where they can say x will work for you but y won't be appropriate for your medical conditions. You can't control this plant like other plants.
someones been smoking way to much... :lol:
You're making way to much sense.... lol

Im now also hearing from people who dont even have anything to do with MMJ that all the Drug Marts are hopping up and down... :lol:
and no one has even thought about what's next .......:wall:
 

Gmack420

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someones been smoking way to much... :lol:
You're making way to much sense.... lol

Im now also hearing from people who dont even have anything to do with MMJ that all the Drug Marts are hopping up and down... :lol:
and no one has even thought about what's next .......:wall:
You know as well as I do... Mmj will not be sold as medicine in drug stores for at least the next decade. Even after legalization everyone thinks it will be everywhere for sale. Nope. Bm will stil be the best easiest way to get your buds.
 

Gmack420

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You may be surprised. They're legally permitted to do so in the regulations and the markup they could charge makes it an attractive option.
What will hold them back is this 3% potency bullshit.
They already sell extracts. Sativex and marinol. This is nothing new. 3%tch will do nothing for med patients. It's just another fuck you from hc to all mmj users after the scoc said concentrates are ALL legal. This 3% nonsense only applys to lp's not sick people. There's no limit on how much thc can be in your/my home made concentrates.
 

Gmack420

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They're looking at extracts, not dried flowers.
The way they do extracts now they can essentially extract the plant down to all it's base elements and re-construct a usable extract based on actual THC content, remove CBNs, add/remove CBD, etc. I've seen a few labs doing this sort of thing already in addition to research on how to lower or raise the THC in a specific batch so that it can meet these ridiculous guidelines the college of doctors put out.
Yes that's called pharmacology. Diffrent cannibinoids have diffrent separation temps so they can isolate specific ones and increase their levels in the concentrates. The biggest problem with this is we don't have a firm grasp on how cannibinoids play off each other in the human body. Sure we know thc and cbd have medicinal value but do they work as well when the supporting cast of cannibinoids are removed? Why is it patients prefer whole plant/ whole plant extracts over the pharma made cannibis drugs already on the market? Do you really think a lp is going to create a superior extract then the big phama company's that bring you endless varietys opioids? I bet growing your own poppies and cutting the bulbs yourself and smoking the goo that oozes out would be healthier then popping pills made of the same stuff all day.
 

WHATFG

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Yes that's called pharmacology. Diffrent cannibinoids have diffrent separation temps so they can isolate specific ones and increase their levels in the concentrates. The biggest problem with this is we don't have a firm grasp on how cannibinoids play off each other in the human body. Sure we know thc and cbd have medicinal value but do they work as well when the supporting cast of cannibinoids are removed? Why is it patients prefer whole plant/ whole plant extracts over the pharma made cannibis drugs already on the market? Do you really think a lp is going to create a superior extract then the big phama company's that bring you endless varietys opioids? I bet growing your own poppies and cutting the bulbs yourself and smoking the goo that oozes out would be healthier then popping pills made of the same stuff all day.
Holy fuck gmack....you made too much sense there...lol...
 

ispice

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They're looking at extracts, not dried flowers.
The way they do extracts now they can essentially extract the plant down to all it's base elements and re-construct a usable extract based on actual THC content, remove CBNs, add/remove CBD, etc. I've seen a few labs doing this sort of thing already in addition to research on how to lower or raise the THC in a specific batch so that it can meet these ridiculous guidelines the college of doctors put out.
Fractional distillation is the latest in the commercial scene, but THC and CBD's boiling points are very close making it basically impossible to effectively separate the two using such relatively inexpensive methods, maybe there getting CBN out but thats seems odd unless it has a specific undesired effect.

Groups making "the clear" type products are only able to distill terps, solvents and cannabinoids from each other, at this point.

If your talking about LP's I would think most could afford to invest in expensive equipment, but I dont know anyone thats touting it. Its much easier to produce buds within the ratio or ranges that you desire than to process it into proper form once extracted, imo.

Interesting how people are correlating distribution with market leading, post october there wont be much reason for LP's to be going for pharmacy outlets, small potatoes compared to the rec market. It'll be interesting to see how each province handles it, considering the antiquated control on liquor sales and distribution and how its likely that cannabis will be hodge podged into those systems. The black market will ride on no doubt, but just ask your average dealer in van or vic about the effect dispensaries have had on them. Regular users will no doubt prefer to go to a store rather than most alternatives in order to acquire good they desire. Its hard for the smaller ma and pa's to compete with large current LPs who combined have millions of sqft under cultivation. How much cannabis one has to grow and sell in order to make a living will be crunch point for BM producers, that number in prohibition era is extremely low, post prohibition it will sky rocket.

People really dont understand how much an acre of cannabis is worth and how much it will be worth. I live beside a couple of people who grow hundreds of acres of cannabis every year, and yet they dont know much about it, they know much more about farm equipment than any actual plant, but the point is they can successfully grow millions of plants between a few people, mother nature does most of the work. They make around $1000/acre at the moment. If they purposefully or accidentally planted seeds that produced a decent amount of THC, that same single acre could easily pull 65-75 kilos of oil, worth $2 million at current average prices, $4-6m retail, and $1m if you just want to get rid of it. For a single acre.

If the libs or ndp win there will be no more arrests or jail/prison for cultivating cannabis, do you think people will not grow acres in that situation?

Its a race to the bottom of the barrel money wise. THC concentrates will be extremely cheap, super nice buds will be worth slightly more as they should be cultivated in a controlled greenhouse with more labour costs.
 

CalyxCrusher

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SD dispensing will come with benefits too. They'll charge $20 a gram but insurance will cover $19.
I'll believe it when I see it. Since it has no medicinal purpose in HC's eyes, the odds of that happening even in the MAYBE the next 10 years are slim to none
 

CalyxCrusher

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SD dispensing will come with benefits too. They'll charge $20 a gram but insurance will cover $19.

Quite the pipe dream. I'll believe it when I see it. Considering it holds NO medicinal value is HC's eyes, the odds of this happening are slim to none, in say the next 10 years at least. Long ways off from that, but we can hope and dream. IF and WHEN it happens you can guarantee that insurance companies will only cover the LP's they see fit. No dispensaries. Hmmmm maybe by that time they'll be producing half decent milled irradiated floor scraps. mind you, adjusted for inflation over the next 10 years would place a gram of their schwagg at the same price as an 8ball of nose candy
 
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