An outlaw's journal

Alaric

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Back in the mid 90s I thought had gained enough knowledge through reading everything I could find and lurking

on weed base. I also had a little experience with a 6x8x8 closet then a walk up attic (what a glutton for

punishment). So, I quit my day job career of 23 yrs. Nothing much to talk about in the first

two locations------so this adventure begins with the 3rd of 6 locations.

Huge basement (~40'x40'x8') of a split-level house that I rented. View attachment 3471670
First tube design modeled after the GH aeroflow----except I was trying for a low profile design.

Plan was to run constant circulation-----didn't use sprayers----just 1/8" holes in the spray (pee) line---never had any problems with clogs. Here I was topping off manually.

I used compression couplers 3/4" (I think) for the drains. Made little supports using 2x4s and clamp to secure the tubes.


No medium used-----cut the bottoms off of those plastic then used floral foam sculpted with a steak knife.

Anyone see the problems.
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If anyone thought that little pump would heat the nutes----you're right---thank goodness I hadn't added any plants yet. Another thing I didn't like about that first design----the tubes were fixed at a specific distance apart.
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I wanted more flexibility spreading the tubes if need arises. Still playing around with tube configurations using that wrong pump----new one ordered.
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Got my new pumps Iwaki brand----comes with a cooling fan built (about $130 from memory).

Very happy with these----about ready for plants.

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The red top valve is turned on to drain while the ones going to the spray lines are turned off.

Drilled and tapped holes for a 3/4" female slip fitting (the one my left foot is under).

Plant to use 3/4" pvc pipe for a trellis.

What I was testing out here----if I could maintain a nute level in the tubes by setting the level in that vertical tube----yes it worked but I was still topping off manually----which I didn't like.

One more thing I wanted to know before plants go in---
What's adequate dissolved oxygen level. So I called up GH and to my surprise talked to one of their engineers. He couldn't tell me.

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Vegging here under two 400s----about ready for prime time. Vegged 4-6 weeks after rooted.

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Moved into the flower room, about 15 plants in each section (two 4'x10' canopy sections, each section equipped with three 1ks, air cooled and on a mover.

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Almost ready for chop.netting.jpg

In this shot I used tomato netting streached between 2x4 and each corner of the tubes

The silver stuff is a reflective fabric I used around the canopy edges (taken down for pics ).

Used bungee cords to stretch the netting between the 2x4s that could be slid up and down.

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Very close now.
 

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Alaric

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Back in the mid 90s I thought had gained enough knowledge through reading everything I could find and lurking

on weed base. I also had a little experience with a 6x8x8 closet then a walk up attic (what a glutton for

punishment). So, I quit my day job career of 23 yrs. Nothing much to talk about in the first

two locations------so this adventure begins with the 3rd of 6 locations.

Huge basement (~40'x40'x8') of a split-level house that I rented. View attachment 3471670
First tube design modeled after the GH aeroflow----except I was trying for a low profile design.

Plan was to run constant circulation-----didn't use sprayers----just 1/8" holes in the spray (pee) line---never had any problems with clogs. Here I was topping off manually.

I used compression couplers 3/4" (I think) for the drains. Made little supports using 2x4s and clamp to secure the tubes.


No medium used-----cut the bottoms off of those plastic then used floral foam sculpted with a steak knife.

Anyone see the problems.
View attachment 3472930
If anyone thought that little pump would heat the nutes----you're right---thank goodness I hadn't added any plants yet. Another thing I didn't like about that first design----the tubes were fixed at a specific distance apart.
View attachment 3472938
I wanted more flexibility spreading the tubes if need arises. Still playing around with tube configurations using that wrong pump----new one ordered.
View attachment 3472931

Got my new pumps Iwaki brand----comes with a cooling fan built (about $130 from memory).

Very happy with these----about ready for plants.

View attachment 3471705View attachment 3471670View attachment 3471681View attachment 3471705

The red top valve is turned on to drain while the ones going to the spray lines are turned off.

Drilled and tapped holes for a 3/4" female slip fitting (the one my left foot is under).

Plant to use 3/4" pvc pipe for a trellis.

What I was testing out here----if I could maintain a nute level in the tubes by setting the level in that vertical tube----yes it worked but I was still topping off manually----which I didn't like.

One more thing I wanted to know before plants go in---
What's adequate dissolved oxygen level. So I called up GH and to my surprise talked to one of their engineers. He couldn't tell me.

View attachment 3472939

Vegging here under two 400s----about ready for prime time. Vegged 4-6 weeks after rooted.

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Moved into the flower room, about 15 plants in each section (two 4'x10' canopy sections, each section equipped with three 1ks, air cooled and on a mover.

View attachment 3472945
Almost ready for chop.View attachment 3472946

In this shot I used tomato netting streached between 2x4 and each corner of the tubes

The silver stuff is a reflective fabric I used around the canopy edges (taken down for pics ).

Used bungee cords to stretch the netting between the 2x4s that could be slid up and down.

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Very close now.
Couple of more shots.

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I think this is the prettiest plant I've ever grown----Sensi's Black Domina-----super couch-lock.
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I Am certainly NOT suggesting -----I came up with bubbling buckets, however; this is the first

pic that I am aware of to be posted on the internet-----remember this was all
back in the mid 90s. No one at first seemed to pay much attention.
 

Sativied

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Great to see more pics of your pioneering work. Keep it coming.

I Am certainly NOT suggesting -----I came up with bubbling buckets, however; this is the first

pic that I am aware of to be posted on the internet-----remember this was all
back in the mid 90s. No one at first seemed to pay much attention.
Sure seems one of the first to do it with cannabis, if not the first. Oldest example of bubbling containers I found is from 1950 or something, let me see if I can find the link. Old doc but much of it still applies and contains a lot of history and old pics including bubbled nutrient solution setups...

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https://ia800306.us.archive.org/6/items/watercultureme3450hoag/watercultureme3450hoag.pdf
 

Alaric

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Thanks ty-----I trying to tell this story relative to location----so far everything from location #3 with 3 more to go.

You can probably anticipate whats to come.

A~~~
 

Alaric

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Great to see more pics of your pioneering work. Keep it coming.


Sure seems one of the first to do it with cannabis, if not the first. Oldest example of bubbling containers I found is from 1950 or something, let me see if I can find the link. Old doc but much of it still applies and contains a lot of history and old pics including bubbled nutrient solution setups...

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https://ia800306.us.archive.org/6/items/watercultureme3450hoag/watercultureme3450hoag.pdf
Thanks S for that link-----knew I was no where near the first----just didn't have any idea how old nutriculture was.

A~~~
 

Alaric

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A pic I found (looking through floppies and zip disc) that shows kinda what's going on.

The white stuff between the "hand crafted" floral foam wrapped around the stem is polyester batting.

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Thank goodness finally done manicuring, drying, and weighed.
24/zips/1k times 6 x36=$$.

In the nick of time----for three months ----spend, spend, and more spend with nothing comming in.
Recovered my setup cost and had some working capital.

Still at location #3-----cloning, early veg, early flower up next.

A~~~
 

Alaric

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This is how I was rooting cuttings Plastic tote----16 oz plastic cups with some slits in bottom.

Just vermiculite ----GH micro & bloom around 200-300 ppm (.7 conversion) bloom soup.

Used cling wrap with several ice pick holes pattern (high RH)----held on tightly with those

paper binder clips.

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Once rooted---moved to a different tote. I'm a strong believer of rooting with nutes.

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Ready to be moved to veg tubes or bucket. By rooting and vegging a little while in the cups

----no worries about the roots not reaching the nutes.

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In these examples I let the vermiculite get too low and dry---not to worry---coming
out of the cups and rinsed off.

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gently rubbed off the vermiculite the finished removing in the sink with a sprayercuptape.jpg

In this case, they were moved to buckets.

No neopreme inserts back then----used little cups with bottom cut out. I used aluminum duct tape to hold the plants in the cups.
 

Alaric

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Well time to move base camp-----security breach. On to location 4 of 6 weI go.

One year old, two story house with a 24' x 24' 2 car garage that the owner is cool with my profession (actually one of my main business partners).

Biggest challenge was to get a veg crop moved along with all my equipment. Here's what I did:
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Set up a temporary system in an upstairs bedroom, 2 1ks hps, air cooled and vented out.

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Headed to Lowes and bought a dryer plug and some 14 gauge wire. Wired in this home made sub panel that converts 240v to 120v to power everything in the bedroom. I used relays triggered by a timer to power the lights.

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Still using the same methods for the tube design as location 3.

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Used 44 gallon garbage can to mix nutes.
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Here is how I vented. Used an existing vent removed the grill and added a rectangular to round vent for the blower to attach to. Got in the attic and removed the duct from the vent and closed it of. So, the exhaust was just blown into the attic.

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The girls seemed to be happy.

Meanwhile----down in the garage----I got a mess.MVC-006S.JPG

Stuff everywhere.
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and more stuff.
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and still more stuff. By this stage I had taken down the door openers and upper tracts----framed it up and insulated.

About ready to start setting equipment and get the plants moved down.

More to come.
 

ttystikk

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Moving your grow op is such a Chinese fire drill. Best of luck, looks like you've got it pretty well in hand!
 

Alaric

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Finally got the framing and insulation finished-------moved the plants and equipment down from the upper bedroom---in a rush to get the wall up between the flower and veg rooms.

Two sections running butted end to end.

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This is a shot of what each section looked like. Thank goodness I used those rubber couplers so I could take the thing apart and transport.

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I wanted to run my nutes partially flooded----the feed lines didn't have sprayers just 1/8" holes about 12" apart.

That 2" fitting was covered with stainless steel 1000 micron screen (same mesh size as window screen). That set the nute level in the tubes-----when time for flush and reload the were unscrewed so the tubes would completely (well almost).MVC-002S 2.JPG

A lesson I learned the hard way------Those stubs I wanted glued into the Ts--- I hate those damn leaks so I used my floor jack to help me seat those things.

More to come,

A~~~
 

Alaric

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At this location----finally got the wall up between the veg and flower room.

This system worked well but I wasn't satisfied with several things:

1) This manual topping off has to go!

2) Manicuring 7.5-8.0 lbs (no help) ready at the same time was just more than I wanted----needed to stagger my harvest.
But how can I maintain a flat canopy with different size plants in this system?

3) I hated dragging these large root systems through 4" holes in the tubes and trying to clean up the tubes was hell----not to mention the roots getting tangled.

4) I didn't like dealing with these cups and floral foam-----got to be a better way.
closeshot.jpg

Here's how I got rid of the manual topping off:

Raised a 44 gallon trash can 24" ( about 8" higher than the tubes)-----rigged up a mercury switch float valve that set the nute level in the tubes. This worked but ever use this type of float valve again.

The nutes were being circulated 24/7 in the tubes so I ran a hose from the pump output back to the garbage can and set the flow rate. This allowed the full volume of nutes to be circulated through the tubes and garbage can.
switchup.jpg

This is a shot of how I set the nute level.


Back in the flower room----I added 3/4" pvc to each tube for a trellis.

The "spray lines" in the tubes had 1/8" holes drilled about 12" apart----then something happened---at harvest I dragged out a beautiful root system that produced buds like I had never seen before-----Why was this one plant so different from the others?

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This produced this:
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Will using sprayers make all my plants produce like this-----we'll get to that later and more of this adventure.
 

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
At this location----finally got the wall up between the veg and flower room.

This system worked well but I wasn't satisfied with several things:

1) This manual topping off has to go!

2) Manicuring 7.5-8.0 lbs (no help) ready at the same time was just more than I wanted----needed to stagger my harvest.
But how can I maintain a flat canopy with different size plants in this system?

3) I hated dragging these large root systems through 4" holes in the tubes and trying to clean up the tubes was hell----not to mention the roots getting tangled.

4) I didn't like dealing with these cups and floral foam-----got to be a better way.
View attachment 3490803

Here's how I got rid of the manual topping off:

Raised a 44 gallon trash can 24" ( about 8" higher than the tubes)-----rigged up a mercury switch float valve that set the nute level in the tubes. This worked but ever use this type of float valve again.

The nutes were being circulated 24/7 in the tubes so I ran a hose from the pump output back to the garbage can and set the flow rate. This allowed the full volume of nutes to be circulated through the tubes and garbage can.
View attachment 3490817

This is a shot of how I set the nute level.


Back in the flower room----I added 3/4" pvc to each tube for a trellis.

The "spray lines" in the tubes had 1/8" holes drilled about 12" apart----then something happened---at harvest I dragged out a beautiful root system that produced buds like I had never seen before-----Why was this one plant so different from the others?

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This produced this:
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Will using sprayers make all my plants produce like this-----we'll get to that later and more of this adventure.
WOW! Those roots are gorgeous and the buds are amazing! Please, do tell us what you find out about how you got the plant to do that! It's 'luck' just like this that often points the way forward...
 
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