Where did your God come from?

SamsonsRiddle said:

You are all making things too difficult... God is the creator, and didn't come from anything. Jesus is the Word of God, who was made flesh and dwelt among us; Jesus existed with God eternally. The Holy Spirit is the will of God, also known as the worker of God.

Who cares what Jesus looks like, if it was important God would have put it in there. The more important part is what he looks like now, in his glorified body.

People who continue to argue against the Bible because of "giants" and other things are proving they don't understand his word. God can do whatever he wants (His name means: I am who I am, or I will be who I will be), and is not bound by any kind of box we put him in. He has the kind of power to do some ventriloquist shit with a donkey to speak to some idiot; he has the kind of power to do anything he wants. The problem with most of the people arguing against the Bible is that they don't get the symbolism of the things in the Bible that can only be interpreted by the bible.

This is why it is a lifetime study that you have to do every day.

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Your God is wrong!
Hail Santa Claus! (aka St.Nicolas, aka Father Christmas.)
The only true god! That brings families together, and makes kids happy since 1087.

When has your god given any free gifts?

Pray for my sins just like stupid Flanders prays for Homer's.

You have the right to believe in whatever fairytale you like.
You do not have the right to demand it on others.
People should be aware of the truth about religions.
And then is their only choice to decide if they wish to follow any of them.

And please keep your only true god within your imagination.

P.S. I had some Jehovah's Witnesses on my door years back. I invited them to watch football with me. Meanwhile I was watching the football match and drinking my beer I was surprised how long they stood talking shit while I wasn't even paying attention to them.
Complete Idiots. I wish they could ban the religious activities on public.
That way less people would be fooled into this major scam.

justugh said:

sorry that thought is wrong it been prove by math pure logic ........there is something behide this whole crazy thing called life
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gödel's_ontological_proof
is the math
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/computer-scientists-prove-god-exists/story?id=20678984
they proved it was correct but they try to make it about tech helping the field so greatly ....but it proves the idea using a MAC book odds are your computer can do it with right programs

sorry logic proves it........... math is correct or wrong can not get any simpler

and rem this stuff that happen in the past .....ppl were not as simple as u think if u look at what mathematics they are using in the buildings and public works are highly complex...they show complex brain surgery before this date with ppl live (they know they lived due to the bones trying to remodel after it was done and this takes living system to happen)

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Well then you need to define what "GOD" is..I was referring to institutionalized religion and their versions of "GOD". I do believe there is an underlying"force", for better lack of term, that connects everything. I believe our bodies are only vessels and with enough training we can leave them and travel through time and space with only our minds.

WeedFreak78 said:

Well then you need to define what "GOD" is..I was referring to institutionalized religion and their versions of "GOD". I do believe there is an underlying"force", for better lack of term, that connects everything. I believe our bodies are only vessels and with enough training we can leave them and travel through time and space with only our minds.

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astral projection .....phhhhh been doing that since i was a kid in my sleep u really think a person can sleep 20 hours in a row ....now retaining all that info is another story

GOD is that tiny electrical charge that holds your atoms together and keeps u from flying apart .....Life itself is God ....does God effect our daily lives NO as we demanded FREEWILL and were given it

humans have more skills and powers to them locked away for good reason ......we are petty little children....as a whole humans are not much above caveman we still kill our own over nothing really...... we still want more then we need...... we still treat each other very badly.....we are not much better then animals if anything little worst as we kill for sport our own and animals where as animals kill for food or to keep their area

justugh said:

astral projection .....phhhhh been doing that since i was a kid in my sleep u really think a person can sleep 20 hours in a row ....now retaining all that info is another story

GOD is that tiny electrical charge that holds your atoms together and keeps u from flying apart .....Life itself is God ....does God effect our daily lives NO as we demanded FREEWILL and were given it

humans have more skills and powers to them locked away for good reason ......we are petty little children....as a whole humans are not much above caveman we still kill our own over nothing really...... we still want more then we need...... we still treat each other very badly.....we are not much better then animals if anything little worst as we kill for sport our own and animals where as animals kill for food or to keep their area

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Some animals, other than humans, kill for reasons other than food or defense..chimpanzees, foxes and dolphins have all been recorded hunting/killing for nothing more than entertainment, it's not common but it does happen. What do dolphins,foxes,chimpanzees and humans all have in common that would perpetuate that trait? They are all considered higher intelligence animals, maybe knowledge is the root of evil?

WeedFreak78 said:

Some animals, other than humans, kill for reasons other than food or defense..chimpanzees, foxes and dolphins have all been recorded hunting/killing for nothing more than entertainment, it's not common but it does happen. What do dolphins,foxes,chimpanzees and humans all have in common that would perpetuate that trait? They are all considered higher intelligence animals, maybe knowledge is the root of evil?

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never seen a animal kill for sport .........they always eat they kill they do not kill then just leave it (unless was sick/decayed or something else claimed the kill)
seen animals kill others for food or they crossed into the area the animal claims as theirs .....seen them play with the food like a cat and mouse
but i know of no animal but human that hunts for sport /pleasure (hunting cost energy u hunt something u eat it otherwise waste of effort )

Either way with your animal debate, but do animals have a conscience?
Animals only have instincts. Humans have much more than instincts.
Why? Because our brain is larger? There are larger brains.
The reason humans are different than animals is because God put a different spirit in man. Man was created in the image of god, not in form or shape, but on the inside. We are 3 in 1 just like God. Comprised of intelligence, emotions, and will, us humans have been given the gift of being able to understand God, His Word, and His Will as long as we are willing to give up our own way and to go his.
Animals cannot become sons of god, but man has the opportunity to do so.

SweetHayz said:

Your God is wrong!
Hail Santa Claus! (aka St.Nicolas, aka Father Christmas.)
The only true god! That brings families together, and makes kids happy since 1087.

When has your god given any free gifts?

Pray for my sins just like stupid Flanders prays for Homer's.

You have the right to believe in whatever fairytale you like.
You do not have the right to demand it on others.
People should be aware of the truth about religions.
And then is their only choice to decide if they wish to follow any of them.

And please keep your only true god within your imagination.

P.S. I had some Jehovah's Witnesses on my door years back. I invited them to watch football with me. Meanwhile I was watching the football match and drinking my beer I was surprised how long they stood talking shit while I wasn't even paying attention to them.
Complete Idiots. I wish they could ban the religious activities on public.
That way less people would be fooled into this major scam.

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I don't understand what any of the bottom of this post has to do with anything. Why would i pray for your sins? I don't care about you nor would I if I had to. I'm not your typical "christian" so forget everything you think you know. I don't care whether you believe or not, i'm not here to convert anyone. God uses me for a different purpose. I am aware of the "truth" (or rather ignorance) of religions and agree that they are all wrong. try opening your mind a little and letting the truth in.

justugh
i know it hurts .......really pissed me off when i thought about how could it be this way no that is wrong .......but is god and is part of satan (rem was a angel of light before was bad thing .....as for demons Fallen angels or twisted human souls ) sorry all parts of god

show me in the bible where it says god is everything. God gives life to everything, but he is not "everything" (ie. the dump i just took). It says god is light and there is no darkness in him, that means god cannot be in company with sin. Much like light cannot be in the dark.



justugh
jesus is god / his own person but he is god in flesh .......if jesus tells u to do something it is god telling u to do something

How come he never claims this? Jesus is a part of God, but he is not god in the flesh. How could god die? How come he didn't know when his return would be (not I or any of the angels knows, but only my father in heaven)? He was the son of god, a part of god, the god family.



justugh
the souls that were waiting before his death that is a old jewish story (i know about lillth while most ppl do not) as for the end of the world ........that is a all out fight win and life moves up a step lose and ground under the heel of evil ..........ppl that died already are chillen in heaven otherwise it be sheer hell no input to a mind the person will go mad .......so they have to be somewhere with something going on heaven or hell or cast into the void to go mad and be lost ....the energy soul goes somewhere

I've studied lillith, adam's first wife before eve but that has nothing to do with where spirits are now. Show me in the bible where anyone other than Jesus or the angels went to the 3rd heaven. Their spirit is in a state of sleep, that's why it says the dead in the ground know nothing. Jesus is coming back to earth to set up the kingdom of heaven, no one is going to heaven.


justugh
then how can jesus be your savior he did nothing in your thinking but condemned us on the spot ..........why go on with a failed experiment .......wipe out and start a new......sorry that logic is faulted on the whole idea

This is our time to study the word of god and do whatever our job for him is here. We are a failed race, much like the fallen angels. However, we have a chance to be accepted into the kingdom of heaven by christ's sacrifice for us. We prove that we love him and what he did for us by studying god's word every day. We prove to god that he is important to us by finding out what his way is and living it.


justugh
the glowing is based of the shroud of turin .......how the image was made was cause by radiation the cloth was burnt on the tops of the threads where it touched the skin ........u see a 3d pic of the body it the only way to make that .....

The shroud of turin is a bunch of shit. We don't know what Jesus looks like, none of us were there.



justugh
and as for a good bulk of the bible .........it is junk they added in that they thought proved the points they want us to fallow mary magdalene now she was there but her book is not even out unless u know where to look ......the book john was written 100 years after his death by some one that was not there (it is only his veiws and thoughts on the subject ) and they mislead that fact from everyone unless u look to understand better

I've studied many of the extra books and gospels (mary magdelene one says her and jesus has children which is completely out of harmony with the rest of the bible). There are things added and taken away, but god allowed what is in there for a purpose. There are going to be problems with it because man has infused his ideas in there, but god has enough power to make it say what he wants it to. No one studies the Bible as it is now, so imagine how little would study it if it had all the books (catholics claim 107). If you study the word every day then god will make apparent what the truth is and where the mistakes are, also what the mistakes should be. But you have to humbly study the word EVERY DAY.

@SamsonsRiddle
]justugh
i know it hurts .......really pissed me off when i thought about how could it be this way no that is wrong .......but is god and is part of satan (rem was a angel of light before was bad thing .....as for demons Fallen angels or twisted human souls ) sorry all parts of god

show me in the bible where it says god is everything. God gives life to everything, but he is not "everything" (ie. the dump i just took). It says god is light and there is no darkness in him, that means god cannot be in company with sin. Much like light cannot be in the dark.

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everything is stardust .......the whole universe we see was once in stars until they went boom ...every atom u shit out was once a burning star ....light energy
....everything in the whole universe has things in common this is one of them ....other is the small electrical charge that binds the atom..last one i know of is vibration all atoms move at set hertz

justugh
jesus is god / his own person but he is god in flesh .......if jesus tells u to do something it is god telling u to do something

How come he never claims this? Jesus is a part of God, but he is not god in the flesh. How could god die? How come he didn't know when his return would be (not I or any of the angels knows, but only my father in heaven)? He was the son of god, a part of god, the god family.

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this is not me this is father son and holy ghost are counted as being of one mind .......other wise worship of jesus would be a sin as not true god u put anouther god infront of him to counter that trouble the church has always thought of them as being of ONE in 3 parts



justugh
the souls that were waiting before his death that is a old jewish story (i know about lillth while most ppl do not) as for the end of the world ........that is a all out fight win and life moves up a step lose and ground under the heel of evil ..........ppl that died already are chillen in heaven otherwise it be sheer hell no input to a mind the person will go mad .......so they have to be somewhere with something going on heaven or hell or cast into the void to go mad and be lost ....the energy soul goes somewhere

I've studied lillith, adam's first wife before eve but that has nothing to do with where spirits are now. Show me in the bible where anyone other than Jesus or the angels went to the 3rd heaven. Their spirit is in a state of sleep, that's why it says the dead in the ground know nothing. Jesus is coming back to earth to set up the kingdom of heaven, no one is going to heaven.

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good on u for reading ......keep it up and go down the rabbit hole .......the orginal name is sheol/hades......that is the story u are looking for if i could rem the whole thing i tell u it but i am sure it on the net

justugh
then how can jesus be your savior he did nothing in your thinking but condemned us on the spot ..........why go on with a failed experiment .......wipe out and start a new......sorry that logic is faulted on the whole idea

This is our time to study the word of god and do whatever our job for him is here. We are a failed race, much like the fallen angels. However, we have a chance to be accepted into the kingdom of heaven by christ's sacrifice for us. We prove that we love him and what he did for us by studying god's word every day. We prove to god that he is important to us by finding out what his way is and living it.

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different ways of saying the same thing ........except i know the word of god has been twisted by man .....i look for the repeating factors in all culture ....there inlays word of god

justugh
the glowing is based of the shroud of turin .......how the image was made was cause by radiation the cloth was burnt on the tops of the threads where it touched the skin ........u see a 3d pic of the body it the only way to make that .....

The shroud of turin is a bunch of shit. We don't know what Jesus looks like, none of us were there.

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no but the most logical way for something to come back would be a form of energy that we do not understand ....repairing the cells healing the wounds .......i am going off the idea of radiation due to the fact http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/inquiries-and-interviews/detail/articolo/39852/
the only logical way to make that is radiation from the slight contact on the skin leaving a burnt mark on top of the cloth


justugh
and as for a good bulk of the bible .........it is junk they added in that they thought proved the points they want us to fallow mary magdalene now she was there but her book is not even out unless u know where to look ......the book john was written 100 years after his death by some one that was not there (it is only his veiws and thoughts on the subject ) and they mislead that fact from everyone unless u look to understand better

I've studied many of the extra books and gospels (mary magdelene one says her and jesus has children which is completely out of harmony with the rest of the bible). There are things added and taken away, but god allowed what is in there for a purpose. There are going to be problems with it because man has infused his ideas in there, but god has enough power to make it say what he wants it to. No one studies the Bible as it is now, so imagine how little would study it if it had all the books (catholics claim 107). If you study the word every day then god will make apparent what the truth is and where the mistakes are, also what the mistakes should be. But you have to humbly study the word EVERY DAY.
your fun

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and i think he did have kids as he was a man after all to under stand life as a human must live as one .........the idea of a bloodline is old .....i still think genetic markers from him have been passed out into the gene pool ( removing his life as a man from the bible was the biggest mistake they could make ....we would have a good example to fallow if did not better morals )
as for me personally ..........southern baptist mother i have had more time reading bibles then i wish to rem ........ i have read everything from the dark bible to keys of Solomon Hindu Aztec Mayan Hopi Buddhist Tao Bible Torah paganism from several cultures nature worship ....then go down the legends for the cultures ......and i am a massive history guy like to keep up on the new digs proving things i had arguments with teachers and other ppl


thanks u been fun .......keep coming

SamsonsRiddle said:

Either way with your animal debate, but do animals have a conscience?
Animals only have instincts. Humans have much more than instincts.
Why? Because our brain is larger? There are larger brains.
The reason humans are different than animals is because God put a different spirit in man. Man was created in the image of god, not in form or shape, but on the inside. We are 3 in 1 just like God. Comprised of intelligence, emotions, and will, us humans have been given the gift of being able to understand God, His Word, and His Will as long as we are willing to give up our own way and to go his.
Animals cannot become sons of god, but man has the opportunity to do so.

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Either way with your animal debate, but do animals have a conscience?

yes everything does(living) ........only lacking understanding

@SamsonsRiddle
You clearly forget that in some religions animals are more holy than humans. You are stupid to give this example for a second time, believing you are something more than any other living thing on this planet. Animals have thoughts, animals can learn, animals can communicate. You are no different to an animal. Except the fact you believe in fairy tales. And yet yes in Hinduism god is everything around you. You can stick your holy bible and your god's words somewhere where your god doesn't ever shine a light.

SamsonsRiddle said:

justugh
i know it hurts .......really pissed me off when i thought about how could it be this way no that is wrong .......but is god and is part of satan (rem was a angel of light before was bad thing .....as for demons Fallen angels or twisted human souls ) sorry all parts of god

show me in the bible where it says god is everything. God gives life to everything, but he is not "everything" (ie. the dump i just took). It says god is light and there is no darkness in him, that means god cannot be in company with sin. Much like light cannot be in the dark.

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one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.Ephesians 4:6

SamsonsRiddle said:

justugh
jesus is god / his own person but he is god in flesh .......if jesus tells u to do something it is god telling u to do something

How come he never claims this? Jesus is a part of God, but he is not god in the flesh. How could god die? How come he didn't know when his return would be (not I or any of the angels knows, but only my father in heaven)? He was the son of god, a part of god, the god family.

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Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am-John 8:58
I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.-John 10:-31
The Father is in me, and I in him.-John 10:38
He that hath seen me hath seen the Father.-John 14:9

SamsonsRiddle said:

justugh
the souls that were waiting before his death that is a old jewish story (i know about lillth while most ppl do not) as for the end of the world ........that is a all out fight win and life moves up a step lose and ground under the heel of evil ..........ppl that died already are chillen in heaven otherwise it be sheer hell no input to a mind the person will go mad .......so they have to be somewhere with something going on heaven or hell or cast into the void to go mad and be lost ....the energy soul goes somewhere

I've studied lillith, adam's first wife before eve but that has nothing to do with where spirits are now.

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the 1st mention of Lilith as Adam's 1st wife is from the alphabet of Sirach.Written way after the old testament.700-1000c.e.

SamsonsRiddle said:

Show me in the bible where anyone other than Jesus or the angels went to the 3rd heaven. Their spirit is in a state of sleep, that's why it says the dead in the ground know nothing. Jesus is coming back to earth to set up the kingdom of heaven, no one is going to heaven.

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samuel was brought "up" by the witch of endor.he seemed to know quite a bit about the happenings in saul's kingdom.
and:
When the LORD was about to take Elijah up to heaven in a whirlwind, Elijah and Elisha were on their way from Gilgal.-2kings 2:1

SamsonsRiddle said:

I've studied many of the extra books and gospels (mary magdelene one says her and jesus has children which is completely out of harmony with the rest of the bible).

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In the gospel of mary,jesus is dead.She sees him in dreams and visions.or are you citing another text? Source? Sounds Dan Brownish.

SamsonsRiddle said:

No one studies the Bible as it is now, so imagine how little would study it if it had all the books (catholics claim 107). If you study the word every day then god will make apparent what the truth is and where the mistakes are, also what the mistakes should be. But you have to humbly study the word EVERY DAY.

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Again can you souce this^(bolded)? As far as I'm aware,catholics use 73 books.

one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.Ephesians 4:6 -

That is a good verse, but you must take it in context. Who is the author addressing?

4 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,

2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;

3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; <---only for those who are called

5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. <---obviously those who have been called

7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. <---talking about who he is addressing

So obviously he is not speaking to all as in the full entirety of everything ever made, but is talking to all of those who are possessed by His Holy Spirit.



Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am-John 8:58
I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.-John 10:-31
The Father is in me, and I in him.-John 10:38
He that hath seen me hath seen the Father.-John 14:9

Jesus and the father were in perfect harmony since they have been together since the beginning. The one thing that many people forget is that jesus was never preaching himself, but rather was pointing to his father. He also pointed out that the words that were delivered from him were from his father. Nowhere does it say we should worship the son, but like jesus always pointed to, we worship the father.

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.




the 1st mention of Lilith as Adam's 1st wife is from the alphabet of Sirach.Written way after the old testament.700-1000c.e.




samuel was brought "up" by the witch of endor.he seemed to know quite a bit about the happenings in saul's kingdom.



And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do. <---disquieted him and brought him up...from where? Was he having such a terrible time "down there in heaven". Or was he sleeping (dead) just as all others are until the return of Christ?


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When the LORD was about to take Elijah up to heaven in a whirlwind, Elijah and Elisha were on their way from Gilgal.-2kings 2:1


And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming . <---when are they resurrected?
Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power .Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. <---This also shows the dead are not yet raised otherwise why would they need to be raised again?

Blah Blah Blah.

You guys put too much effort in this shit, like its real. Its just hilarious.

SweetHayz said:

You guys put too much effort in this shit, like its real. Its just hilarious.

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It's not as simple as just living for yourself. Otherwise, everyone would do it.

SamsonsRiddle said:

That is a good verse, but you must take it in context. Who is the author addressing?

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His audience,of course.1st century Ephesians.I'm ok with that...are you?

SamsonsRiddle said:

6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. <---obviously those who have been called

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The oldest manuscripts use 'us' not 'you'.Kinda changes the meaning a bit,don't it?

SamsonsRiddle said:

7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. <---talking about who he is addressing

So obviously he is not speaking to all as in the full entirety of everything ever made, but is talking to all of those who are possessed by His Holy Spirit.

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You asked "show me in the bible where it says god is everything."
Paul is very clear that he believes God is everything.
For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. Romans11:36
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. 1Corinthians 8:6
For as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything comes from God. 1 corinthians 11:12
For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together Corinthians 1:16-17
And more verses:
Do not I fill heaven and earth?" declares the LORD. Jeremiah 23:24
We could say much more and still fall short; to put it concisely, "He is all." Sirach 43:27
"The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands; nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things;and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation,that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;for in Him we live and move and exist, as even some of your own poets have said, 'For we also are His children.Acts 17:24-28

SamsonsRiddle said:

Jesus and the father were in perfect harmony since they have been together since the beginning. The one thing that many people forget is that jesus was never preaching himself, but rather was pointing to his father. He also pointed out that the words that were delivered from him were from his father. Nowhere does it say we should worship the son, but like jesus always pointed to, we worship the father.

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

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Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.John 14:6
Therefore Jesus said again, "Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep.John 10:7
I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly.John 10:9-10
Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies,and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die.John 11:25-26

SamsonsRiddle said:

And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do. <---disquieted him and brought him up...from where? Was he having such a terrible time "down there in heaven". Or was he sleeping (dead) just as all others are until the return of Christ?


and:
When the LORD was about to take Elijah up to heaven in a whirlwind, Elijah and Elisha were on their way from Gilgal.-2kings 2:1


And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming . <---when are they resurrected?
Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power .Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. <---This also shows the dead are not yet raised otherwise why would they need to be raised again?

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Hmm..
And He said to him, "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise."Luke 23:43
So where was Jesus talking about when he says 'Paradise'?
And where did Enoch go?Elijah?
How did Samuel know the going-on's of Saul's kingdom?
The bible contradicts itself many times.

His audience,of course.1st century Ephesians.I'm ok with that...are you?
Not just ephesians, but those who had been possessed by the holy spirit. Those who had rejected their own selfish way and turned to god's way. Those who had answered the call of god.

The oldest manuscripts use 'us' not 'you'.Kinda changes the meaning a bit,don't it?
Not really, still is referring to those who truly worship the true god.


You asked "show me in the bible where it says god is everything."
Paul is very clear that he believes God is everything. <---Although god used men to write the book, it was actually his word being broadcasted. Holy men of God wrote as the holy spirit gave them the words. So what you are giving credit to paul or other people for is actually coming from the father. God is not a toaster, or a piece of shit. He created all, gives life to all, and is aware of all, but does not live in all - especially those who reject him and his revelation to mankind.

For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. Romans11:36
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
So obviously here in a better context he is talking about everything including wisdom and knowledge comes from god. he is not saying he lives in satan.

yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. 1Corinthians 8:6
3 But if any man love God, the same is known of him.
4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Once again, talking to believers possessed by the holy spirit - but agrees that all things were made and have life because of God, doesn't mean he dwells in everything by his holy spirit.


For as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything comes from God. 1 corinthians 11:12
Never was there an argument if everything came from god...

For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together Corinthians 1:16-17
Yes, he gives life to everything. Already acknowledged.

And more verses:
Do not I fill heaven and earth?" declares the LORD. Jeremiah 23:24
We could say much more and still fall short; to put it concisely, "He is all." Sirach 43:27 <---what the hell is this?
"The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands; nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things;and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation,that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;for in Him we live and move and exist, as even some of your own poets have said, 'For we also are His children.' Acts 17:24-28
All are "children" of god in the way that he brought all into existence. However Satan has children, too of whom god does not possess by his holy spirit. Maybe study the unholy spirit and who is possessed by it.

All of these verses can be taken as just a single line and made to say what you want, however in their context it is made clear that God made everything through Jesus by the power of the holy spirit and is omnipresent. The idea that everything is possessed by God is much like the indians in america said everything was a spirit or god. He gives life to everything and keeps everything together, but god does not live inside the children of darkness. He created them, but they are possessed by a different spirit - the unholy spirit.



Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.John 14:6
Therefore Jesus said again, "Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep.John 10:7
I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly.John 10:9-10
Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies,and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die.John 11:25-26

I don't know what any of this proves? Of course the only way to the father is through the word, a part of god much like described in john 1:1. But jesus is only a part of god, hence he didn't know when his return would be (not i nor the angels but only my father in heaven knows) and god could never die on a cross!


Hmm..
And He said to him, "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise."Luke 23:43
So where was Jesus talking about when he says 'Paradise'?

http://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/booklets/heaven-and-hell-what-does-the-bible-really-teach/the-thief-on-the-cross
found a better explanation, too much to type - study for yourself


And where did Enoch go?Elijah?
http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Library.sr/CT/HWA/k/469/Where-Are-Enoch-Elijah.htm
once again - study for yourself


How did Samuel know the going-on's of Saul's kingdom? <--God doesn't have enough power to reveal this to him?
The bible contradicts itself many times. <--especially when taken out of context.

SamsonsRiddle said:

It's not as simple as just living for yourself. Otherwise, everyone would do it.

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No buddy I live for my family, for my friends and for myself including, but I have freedom.
Meanwhile you live for the system you are into, you are in chains to your believes.
As a scientific person that seeks logical explanation to everything, in which your "god words" is lacking.
Please take a note that doesn't make me a bad person.
I do not steal, I do not lie (in fact I just avoid telling the "truth" if I have to, no need to lie), I do not abuse, I do not kill (in fact I'm a vegan and I fully respect every living thing on this planet!)

Please tell me more about your stupid Christianity for killing people with stones after god has said he can forgive everyone? (Doesn't make sense at all!)
Where is the humanity?
Humans are the worst animals living on this planet!

SweetHayz said:

No buddy I live for my family, for my friends and for myself including, but I have freedom.
Meanwhile you live for the system you are into, you are in chains to your believes.
As a scientific person that seeks logical explanation to everything, in which your "god words" is lacking.
Please take a note that doesn't make me a bad person.
I do not steal, I do not lie (in fact I just avoid telling the "truth" if I have to, no need to lie), I do not abuse, I do not kill (in fact I'm a vegan and I fully respect every living thing on this planet!)

Please tell me more about your stupid Christianity for killing people with stones after god has said he can forgive everyone? (Doesn't make sense at all!)
Where is the humanity?
Humans are the worst animals living on this planet!

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I never claimed to be a "christian", and i can't understand why you think i'm part of "the system". Don't you see how every christian here is arguing with me, too? I'm just a believer and follower of what god's word actually says, not the lukewarmed version that you hate so much and that so many people accept as "the truth". It would take you years to understand where i'm at, because it's taken me to study every day for years to get here. I know you have a lot of really important opinions about christianity, and believe me they sound really good, but i still don't think you get it that "christianity" is a perversion of the bible - focusing on the person of christ rather than the message he brought. Maybe you should try studying how much the catholic church has perverted what the bible already says. Sounds like you are more against those guys.