Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

Mad Hamish said:

Yup what I call 'OG Nanners' you can avoid them totally by shaving all but the top three nodes before flower and plucking usually sorts them out.

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Yup, haven't seen a single yellow turd since I stripped their legs completely, even snipped some of the lower branches (would have been larf) that I let go originally to avoid stressing them as I knew they were prone to hermie. It's funny, I bet if I would have stripped them up to my scrog net like my other gals I would have never seen any at all, haha oh well they're gone now. And swelling more than anything else I've got flowering!

Joedank said:

you sure its not on all the plants? just well hidden? i find them in the smalls practicaly hugging the stem on unstable strains....folks wonder why there is so much GG4 and GSC bagseed... perpetual grows with slightly unstable but amazingly frosty strains...

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All of the gsc crosses popping up are making me mad. I know there are going to be a lot of poor strains in the future with these genetics because people went on a breeding spree with some hermie bag seed.

At least I still have some hope left in the fact that there seems to be increasingly more interest in heirlooms. And there are groups that are pushing the landrace beans. Imo, that's where the real medicine is. I know my body seems to enjoy the Columbian and Mexican heirlooms a lot more than these hybrids bred for high thc and bag appeal.
I don't know, maybe I'm getting old too fast, but I enjoy cannabis that isn't just high in thc. I mean, yes I like a lot of it, but I also like a lot of other cannabinoids / terpenoids to be present. It seems to make the experience complete or whole in some way I can't quite yet explain. Whoa, look at me ramble. Time to get back to work!

abe supercro said:

perhaps they were cross pollinated or are S1 seed. i think it's cool how S1 seed still expresses variation.


How about grass clippings,
does anyone know how long it needs to compost? Is it considered too 'hot' and will it mess with the plant if too much grass is in my soil mix without composting for long enough? i certainly don't apply any chemicals to my lawn and the clippings are already dry. how about dark dry leaves from last fall?

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The leaves will be fine. Pretty much just carbon at this point if they're from last fall. Lawn clippings I'm not sure on. I'm using some leaf mold from last year which were mulched with my lawn mower, so I obviously have a decent amount of grass clippings in there but it has broken down to the point that it's unrecognizable. Are you talking fresh clippings abe? I can't see it being an issue as long as it doesn't account for a large percentage of your mix. I know grass clippings are bacterial dominant, so that's groovy.

Midwest Weedist said:

Yup, haven't seen a single yellow turd since I stripped their legs completely, even snipped some of the lower branches (would have been larf) that I let go originally to avoid stressing them as I knew they were prone to hermie. It's funny, I bet if I would have stripped them up to my scrog net like my other gals I would have never seen any at all, haha oh well they're gone now. And swelling more than anything else I've got flowering!


All of the gsc crosses popping up are making me mad. I know there are going to be a lot of poor strains in the future with these genetics because people went on a breeding spree with some hermie bag seed.

At least I still have some hope left in the fact that there seems to be increasingly more interest in heirlooms. And there are groups that are pushing the landrace beans. Imo, that's where the real medicine is. I know my body seems to enjoy the Columbian and Mexican heirlooms a lot more than these hybrids bred for high thc and bag appeal.
I don't know, maybe I'm getting old too fast, but I enjoy cannabis that isn't just high in thc. I mean, yes I like a lot of it, but I also like a lot of other cannabinoids / terpenoids to be present. It seems to make the experience complete or whole in some way I can't quite yet explain. Whoa, look at me ramble. Time to get back to work!

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Now that you mention it... a very high percentage of my keepers threw a banana or three my way... the Dank Sinatra Remix is one fussy bitch but worth all the effort, given me sacks on two runs, once she was too crowded, other time she got a little warm. Come to think of it, I actually recommend using the early bananas to spot the most powerful pheno of the Dream Beaver early on already, she throws a few on the lowest nodes week three flower, but none from clone or if shaven and I have hit on her twice now, exact same taste potency and everything, and I have to say that is from ONE pack that I got the two ladies, epic... My Salvation cut can throw some late bananas but none since I stopped feeding my girls in flower... could there be a connection between super quality and herm tendencies? Perhaps... I feel it needs to be explored a little...

Mad Hamish said:

Now that you mention it... a very high percentage of my keepers threw a banana or three my way... the Dank Sinatra Remix is one fussy bitch but worth all the effort, given me sacks on two runs, once she was too crowded, other time she got a little warm. Come to think of it, I actually recommend using the early bananas to spot the most powerful pheno of the Dream Beaver early on already, she throws a few on the lowest nodes week three flower, but none from clone or if shaven and I have hit on her twice now, exact same taste potency and everything, and I have to say that is from ONE pack that I got the two ladies, epic... My Salvation cut can throw some late bananas but none since I stopped feeding my girls in flower... could there be a connection between super quality and herm tendencies? Perhaps... I feel it needs to be explored a little...

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That could be highly possibly. It could also lend credibility to the theory of seeded cannabis having a "better" high. Which I'm a believer in actually.

One thought I have on hermie prone strains is that somewhere one of the original heirloom parents could have been hermie prone by nature. Aren't the Thais known for being stupid potent but just as likely to be a hermaphrodite?

Midwest Weedist said:

That could be highly possibly. It could also lend credibility to the theory of seeded cannabis having a "better" high. Which I'm a believer in actually.

One thought I have on hermie prone strains is that somewhere one of the original heirloom parents could have been hermie prone by nature. Aren't the Thais known for being stupid potent but just as likely to be a hermaphrodite?

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Far as I know, Thai is the only natural hermaphrodite cannabis on the planet, meaning it needs no stress factors or anything but has nanners as a common trait so yeah try as you may if there is Thai in it she will take dialling in to run stable. Definite connection between Thai and bananas, but to add QUALITY to the equation makes it all seem pretty thin...

Alright guys, there's multiple ways to skin cat and I have a cat that needs skinned, so let's hear the ideas!
I have a tester strain that I ran this round for way too long in veg in way too small of a container, and she's a heavy feeder (B52 is the strain name). I'm on day 35 of flower, she's lost most of her fan leaves, and now the sugar leaves and larf budlettes are yellowing. I don't necessarily care too much about it as the parent strains and especially the reviews don't impress me much, but I would like to see if it's worth anything at all.
She was vegged for 8 weeks in her current 3 gallon fabric planter, I've been hitting her with compost teas with a small pinch of high p bat guano and she's gotten a top dress of probably 2 cups of worm castings and a teaspoon of kelp meal.
So, how would you guys go about it?
I'll snag pictures tonight when lights come on.


Oh and sad day, my Chinese heirloom threw nanners last night =/ I knew I should have avoided the femmed beans.

You can put the fabric pot in a bigger pot and surround it with soil.

Feed it and finish it.

Mohican said:

You can put the fabric pot in a bigger pot and surround it with soil.

Feed it and finish it.

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That's a good idea actually. How big of a planter or how much soil mass do you think would suffice? My thinking is that I could probably use a bit of a heavier mix in regards to amendments and keep it relatively small.

I went with something a little bigger, and with something twice as big. Both worked well. I put compost around the sides.

Here is the Animal Cookies in the Worm Bin:




Cheers,
Mo

Hey joedank, just curious as to why you dont recommend synthetic dewormer even for animals?

earthling420 said:

Hey joedank, just curious as to why you dont recommend synthetic dewormer even for animals?

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now there is a time for everything but imaclopirid is not needed . probly ever but mostly never. for horses it seems to be a ness. evil as they are so inbred. but if your dog is not oozing paracites then why not just use garilc routinely ....

if your dog sleeps with you in your bed or is allowed on the couch your problems might call for a synthetic dewormer....
but i love my dogs and have no problems with worms i use a garlic and ACV drench(look it up) monthly for deworming....
@Mohican does your fancy vet give synthetic dewormer? or has he got a better recc??

I am not sure. Probably uses synthetic.

Magic mushrooms or some kind of psychedelic are used by tribes in the Amazon. Saw a picture. The worms get attracted to the serotonin and follow it out the digestive system.

On a lighter note - Animal Cookies in the worm bin:




Cheers,
Mo

Guess that means I've got the one up on some parasites lol, good to know.

Mohican said:

I am not sure. Probably uses synthetic.

Magic mushrooms or some kind of psychedelic are used by tribes in the Amazon. Saw a picture. The worms get attracted to the serotonin and follow it out the digestive system.

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Midwest Weedist said:

Alright guys, there's multiple ways to skin cat and I have a cat that needs skinned, so let's hear the ideas!
I have a tester strain that I ran this round for way too long in veg in way too small of a container, and she's a heavy feeder (B52 is the strain name). I'm on day 35 of flower, she's lost most of her fan leaves, and now the sugar leaves and larf budlettes are yellowing. I don't necessarily care too much about it as the parent strains and especially the reviews don't impress me much, but I would like to see if it's worth anything at all.
She was vegged for 8 weeks in her current 3 gallon fabric planter, I've been hitting her with compost teas with a small pinch of high p bat guano and she's gotten a top dress of probably 2 cups of worm castings and a teaspoon of kelp meal.
So, how would you guys go about it?
I'll snag pictures tonight when lights come on.


Oh and sad day, my Chinese heirloom threw nanners last night =/ I knew I should have avoided the femmed beans.

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sst and nutrient teas

hyroot said:

sst and nutrient teas

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I've been slamming her with teas every time she's been dry enough to water; even grabbed some pond water from my grandparents land today to water with. So far she's looking to make a relatively good finish despite the hiccups. If the smoke is as sweet as she's smelling now, I may run her again. In the last few days I've seen a huge improvement, her roots have now breached the side and heavily on the bottom.

In other news, I think my Yunnan has about two and a half weeks left, I'm on day 40 today. I can't wait to cut her up!
Here's phenotype 2 (I believe, May be 3) of 4 phenotypes of Gluetrap [GG4 x Stardawg] turning purple.

Midwest Weedist said:

I've been slamming her with teas every time she's been dry enough to water; even grabbed some pond water from my grandparents land today to water with. So far she's looking to make a relatively good finish despite the hiccups. If the smoke is as sweet as she's smelling now, I may run her again. In the last few days I've seen a huge improvement, her roots have now breached the side and heavily on the bottom. View attachment 3437104

In other news, I think my Yunnan has about two and a half weeks left, I'm on day 40 today. I can't wait to cut her up! View attachment 3437072
Here's phenotype 2 (I believe, May be 3) of 4 phenotypes of Gluetrap [GG4 x Stardawg] turning purple. View attachment 3437099

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looks pretty healthy. I can see a little fade in the glue trap. But nothing to be concerned about. right amount of fade at that age. Still have some time til she's done.


Nice to see what that strain looks like. My buddy @lemmy714 has it in veg right now I think. or he may be popping it next round. i forget. he has a few others from redeyed going too. Those colors and that frost man

hyroot said:

looks pretty healthy. I can see a little fade in the glue trap. But nothing to be concerned about. right amount of fade at that age. Still have some time til she's done.


Nice to see what that strain looks like. My buddy @lemmy714 has it in veg right now I think. or he may be popping it next round. i forget. he has a few others from redeyed going too. Those colors and that frost man

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Thank you! Two of these cuts are super resilient, one of which I just posted the picture of. Most of my other ladies are fading because I've had to neglect tending to them more than I like. Two of the phenotypes feed heavier than the other two (I have 4 phenotypes) and are fading a bit faster than this one. I've been upping the strength of their teas to compensate a bit. Honestly I'm not impressed with this strain as a whole, even though it's the frostied one I've ever ran. One phenotype threw nanners and legitimate hermaphrodite organs for the first two - three weeks of flower. The person who gifted me the cuts had all of them throw nanners and the cut of mine that hermied, did so the worst for them with big ole balls all over the undercanopy. Smells sickly sweet, almost too much so right before lights on.
I have a couple jars full of what my friend grew of the different cuts and they're almost all stupid potent in a stoney sense. Even the two phenotypes that are a bit more up-y eventually settle into a heavy stone. I definitely don't prefer one of the cuts as it's just stoney and racey enough that it makes me really confused/forgetful, more so than usual.. which is saying something lol. One phenotype is pretty mellow though, not too stoney but definitely heavy in the indica traits. The two phenos that lean in the sativa appearance in regards to bud formation have undertones of lemon hash in a way that reminds me a lot of RD's Scott's og.

Midwest Weedist said:

I've been slamming her with teas every time she's been dry enough to water; even grabbed some pond water from my grandparents land today to water with. So far she's looking to make a relatively good finish despite the hiccups. If the smoke is as sweet as she's smelling now, I may run her again. In the last few days I've seen a huge improvement, her roots have now breached the side and heavily on the bottom. View attachment 3437104

In other news, I think my Yunnan has about two and a half weeks left, I'm on day 40 today. I can't wait to cut her up! View attachment 3437072
Here's phenotype 2 (I believe, May be 3) of 4 phenotypes of Gluetrap [GG4 x Stardawg] turning purple. View attachment 3437099

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I haven't popped these yet but I'm pretty sure Gluetrap is crossed with Guard Dawg not stardawg

I'm growing out my first home-brewed-water-only-soil test subject right now -- a plant that I know very well, an AK-47 that I've had for 10 years. I figured it was time to bite the bullet and finally use the soil because it has been taking up room in my garage for about 4 months now. The plant is doing great, it's growing inches a day it seems like in veg. under t8's -- it's turning into quite a nice bush.

I used this recipe: 1 part peat moss, 1 part worm castings, 1 part aeration bits (perlite, rice hulls, lava rock, pumice, etc) is the base. To that add a 1/2 cup of kelp meal, 1/2 cup alfalfa meal, 1/2 cup neem seed meal, 1/2 cup crab shell meal, 1/2 cup oyster shell flour and 3 cups rock dust (you can use greensand, azomite, gypsum, etc in lieu of the rock fines) per cubic foot of base.

Well, I just checked the ppm of the runoff for the first time for shits and giggles and my jaw dropped when I saw that it was 5400ppm. That just blows my mind, coming from a hydro/soilless background, that it's not burnt to a crisp. I can't believe how heavy the soil is when fully watered either when compared to a promix or even an ocean forest -- I've been extra careful not to tweak my back when moving the pot around. lol