l.e.ds vs hps

REALSTYLES

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churchhaze said:
Lol... then he wants to go get the spydr grow max 1200... and he thinks our setups are ghetto!

It would be like calling the computer nerds ghetto for building their own machines back in the day.. I've got my "professional looking" Gateway 2000!! spydr is garbage compared to our "ghetto" rigs. So ignorant.
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Damn my computer is ghetto lol
 
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patrickkawi37 said:
Definitely fucked up by hiring a friend to contract that spot. I just had that redone this weekend cost me close to 2gs. We all make mistakes . I don't do anything mechanical or electrical . I grow weed. Fact of the matter is, you don't see the elite growers using leds . Only closet growing know it all hobbyists. Your right I don't have the knowledge to build some diy led setup nor do I care to. i use what works. if your so badass why aren't you growing on a large scale? Since you kill it with these leds. Why aren't you selling your fixtures to large companies? You think your smart , you might be, redneck or tweaker smart. But that's about it . If you believe in it that much than man the fuck up and change the game. Dont sit Here on roll it up posting pics of your closet grows
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Why aren't you selling your fixtures because guys like you have no balls. I have people asking for them but wait 8 weeks and a day and we'll see how many panels I'll make for some of my buddies

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REALSTYLES said:
Why aren't you selling your fixtures because guys like you have no. Ihave people asking for them but wait 8 weeks and a day and we'll see how many panels I'll make for some of my buddies
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the technology is still so fresh some companies are trying to pull ahead and put them together its a for real deal i dont understand why its so hard for people to grasp and church i believe small well taken care of gardens always produce better consumables then mass produce profit product wouldnt you say?
 
hyroot

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patrickkawi37 said:
And how many lights would you have to run in that space? Because i started with that same footprint 12x10 for canopy and only used 4 lights. If you use 6 leds how are you saving on anything? I average 2pounds per 5x5. Over 2 pounds in a 5x6. So where is the led winning?
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3 inda gros over 12x5. Total 1340 watts. Then a 330 w cob panel from amaretech over a 4x5

then 260w amaratech, 155w area 51 and 2 150w amaretech panels over the rest. Soon adding 12 Vero 29 cobs once they're in stock.

right now the total is 2270 watts but will be adding the cubs to replace the 150 / 155w panels

my electric when using a/c is $250 a month at most. I haven't had to replace any bulbs at all the last couple years.

you can't compare yields unless we all grow the same strain , same method, same environment, same nutes, same veg time. That's just common sense. If I was growing a haze I'd probably bang out 3 pounds per 4x5

I do no till living organics.

I'd rather have 1 pound of frosty 25%-30%THC that yields 25% return on ice wax and rosin. Than 3 lbs of.some mediocre pot that doesn't help anyone nor anyone wants. We have very high standards over here. The flowers at the SoCal cup that were entered were all schwagg imo. I grow for trichomes and oils over yields
 
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hyroot said:
3 inda gros over 12x5. Total 1340 watts. Then a 330 w cob panel from amaretech over a 4x5

then 260w amaratech, 155w area 51 and 2 150w amaretech panels over the rest. Soon adding 12 Vero 29 cobs once they're in stock.

right now the total is 2270 watts but will be adding the cubs to replace the 150 / 155w panels

my electric when using a/c is $250 a month at most. I haven't had to replace any bulbs at all the last couple years.

you can't compare yields unless we all grow the same strain , same method, same environment, same nutes, same veg time. That's just common sense. If I was growing a haze I'd probably bang out 3 pounds per 4x5

I do no till living organics.

I'd rather have 1 pound of frosty 25%-30%THC that yields 25% return on ice wax and rosin. Than 3 lbs of.some mediocre pot that doesn't help anyone nor anyone wants. We have very high standards over here. The flowers at the SoCal cup that were entered were all schwagg imo. I grow for trichomes and oils over yields
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I grow OGs and blue dream . My blue dream is always the first stuff gone, and everyone fights over the blue dream trim because it makes the best hash. I do not grow shwag, you are mistaken. Where I live, to do better than barely getting by, you have to know your shit and produce some nice nugs. More fail than survive in the industry in cali.
If you were better than every grower in southern california like you are stating, why don't you grow for a living? Maybe you suck at the business end? There has to be some reason?
 
hyroot

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patrickkawi37 said:
I grow OGs and blue dream . My blue dream is always the first stuff gone, and everyone fights over the blue dream trim because it makes the best hash. I do not grow shwag, you are mistaken. Where I live, to do better than barely getting by, you have to know your shit and produce some nice nugs. More fail than survive in the industry in cali.
If you were better than every grower in southern california like you are stating, why don't you grow for a living? Maybe you suck at the business end? There has to be some reason?
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lol. You dont grow schwagg but you grow blue dream lmao blue dream at best is still weak sauce. I help sick people genius. People thar have Cancer, epilepsy,ms, tumors, and nerve damage..i hold my own pretty well. In SoCal you have to have the best there is or those no point in growing more than 1 plant. Its so flooded with weed.
 
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hyroot said:
lol. You dont grow schwagg but you grow blue dream lmao blue dream at best is still weak sauce. I help sick people genius. People thar have Cancer, epilepsy,ms, tumors, and nerve damage..i hold my own pretty well. In SoCal you have to have the best there is or those no point in growing more than 1 plant. Its so flooded with weed.
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the market is flooded all the way up the coast and a lot of it is crap i hate the dispensary and the recreational shops are even worse it's cool that prices are going down for people who need it but I'd never buy weed again what i produce in my"closet grow" is awesome and better yet i did it myself and the people i support with my hobby love it....i hate stingy growers "i grow this much and i barely break even" your not helping anyone just rude
 
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the market is flooded all the way up the coast and a lot of it is crap i hate the dispensary and the recreational shops are even worse it's cool that prices are going down for people who need it but I'd never buy weed again what i produce in my"closet grow" is awesome and better yet i did it myself and the people i support with my hobby love it....i hate stingy growers "i grow this much and i barely break even" your not helping anyone just rude
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I haven't bought weed in years. Its not just that its hard to find quality for a decent price. I'm an organic head. So I want clean flowers. I'm even particular about organic methods too. If its not grown close to my way I won't smoke it. By my way I mean natural organic. But no guano,manure, chicken anything, bone meal blood meal. The only animal in my soil is crab shell meal, oyster shell flour, and worm castings.

I think shops should have a story about each plant or batch that those flowers come from. How its grown , who grew it, medium, methods, etc.....
 
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thenotsoesoteric said:
Greengene's buds looked nice but 677 off a 1k light is a very low yield considering I can get close to 600 grams off my 600 watt hps with nearly any given clone run.
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thenotsoesoteric said:
He hit .66 grams with hps. Hitting one gram per watt hps isn't that hard really.
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thenotsoesoteric said:
I'm not saying he is bad by no means, I'm saying he didn't have the hps side as dialed in is all.
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We keep hearing that, the HPS side must not have been dialed in, 1 gpw is easy etc. I am not so sure. None of my friends that use HPS get near 1 gpw and the biggest yielding varieties always suffer in terms of quality. GG got near 1 gpw of super dank bud, organic soil, using a top notch but outdated commercial LED, that is badass if you ask me.

If a 34% efficient LED can do that, imagine what a 40, 50 or 60% efficient lamp will be able to achieve in terms of gpw and reduced heat in the grow space.
 
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SupraSPL said:
We keep hearing that, the HPS side must not have been dialed in, 1 gpw is easy etc. I am not so sure. None of my friends that use HPS get near 1 gpw and the biggest yielding varieties always suffer in terms of quality. GG got near 1 gpw of super dank bud, organic soil, using a top notch but outdated commercial LED, that is badass if you ask me.

If a 34% efficient LED can do that, imagine what a 40, 50 or 60% efficient lamp will be able to achieve in terms of gpw and reduced heat in the grow space.
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Your friends need to keep growing then, because it really isn't hard to do.
 
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hyroot said:
lol. You dont grow schwagg but you grow blue dream lmao blue dream at best is still weak sauce. I help sick people genius. People thar have Cancer, epilepsy,ms, tumors, and nerve damage..i hold my own pretty well. In SoCal you have to have the best there is or those no point in growing more than 1 plant. Its so flooded with weed.
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I guess I grow some decent nugget then. because I'm one of the few people that i know that grows on a medium scale and doesn't live paycheck to paycheck. at a young age In a flooded area where everyone grows, thats not an easy thing to do.

The issue growers seem to be having is this.. All these new school old guys who can't afford to live the American Dream anymore are like hey, let's grow weed, if stoners can do it so can I.. Then you got average joe 9-5 getting a few lights.. Average joe realizes that his overhead is holy shit high.. He harvests some booboo dogshit. And then he takes it to the dispensary because no one else wants it.. And they end up selling it for under 2gs. You get 50 of these dudes to every 1 grower that knows what he's doing. Brings me to problem #2.. People who go to dispensaries don't know there asshole from there elbow. So here you are, a good grower with nice medicine.. You go to a dispensary to get rid of your nice medicine.. And they don't want it. Why? Because it's too good and you want too much money. During outdoor season this year I drove to over 35 dispensaries in one day in LA.. Over 75% of the shops said they have a 2,000 dollar cap on top shelf indoor. I was mindfucked when I heard that. The clubs were saying I was greedy, want to much money, trying to make a profit Blah Blah. When I looked at the nug they have.. and it's anything but top shelf, it's all greenhouse or outdoor some with budrot and pm. but it doesn't matter cause it sells anyways. these bastards were selling Stuff for 40 bucks an eighth that they only paid 2gs or less for a p. And I'm greedy? It's sickening. After days and days of trying to find legit dispensaries, I found a few mom and pop shops that are willing to pay the extra buck because they want quality medicine to give to there patients. They take everything and I set the donations .. They are grateful to get consistent quality medicine.
 
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patrickkawi37 said:
I guess I grow some decent nugget then. because I'm one of the few people that i know that grows on a medium scale and doesn't live paycheck to paycheck. at a young age In a flooded area where everyone grows, thats not an easy thing to do.

The issue growers seem to be having is this.. All these new school old guys who can't afford to live the American Dream anymore are like hey, let's grow weed, if stoners can do it so can I.. Then you got average joe 9-5 getting a few lights.. Average joe realizes that his overhead is holy shit high.. He harvests some booboo dogshit. And then he takes it to the dispensary because no one else wants it.. And they end up selling it for under 2gs. You get 50 of these dudes to every 1 grower that knows what he's doing. Brings me to problem #2.. People who go to dispensaries don't know there asshole from there elbow. So here you are, a good grower with nice medicine.. You go to a dispensary to get rid of your nice medicine.. And they don't want it. Why? Because it's too good and you want too much money. During outdoor season this year I drove to over 35 dispensaries in one day in LA.. Over 75% of the shops said they have a 2,000 dollar cap on top shelf indoor. I was mindfucked when I heard that. The clubs were saying I was greedy, want to much money, trying to make a profit Blah Blah. When I looked at the nug they have.. and it's anything but top shelf, it's all greenhouse or outdoor some with budrot and pm. but it doesn't matter cause it sells anyways. these bastards were selling Stuff for 40 bucks an eighth that they only paid 2gs or less for a p. And I'm greedy? It's sickening. After days and days of trying to find legit dispensaries, I found a few mom and pop shops that are willing to pay the extra buck because they want quality medicine to give to there patients. They take everything and I set the donations .. They are grateful to get consistent quality medicine.
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your greed is leading you to not selling your ganja to me sounds like you want/need more money if you treated the plant with some respect for what it does you could give less what it's worth and just be happy about sharing good smoke
 
hyroot

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the shops are greedy. They break down a pound and make $4800 a pound. Most good shops go through more than that in a day.. They aren't willing to pay for the work and skill put in for quality nugget. Even though their bud tenders get paid more than they're willing to pay the grower.Even $2500 a pound doesn't cover all the bills and over head. For the growers that live off their garden. I was working with this one dispensary that paid me 2850 a pound cashed out. They started growing their own. Once the harvested they didn't need me any more. I did so consulting for their grow in the beginning. They did pay me for my time. Most other dispensaries lowball me at $2000 a pound and say they don't pay street prices. Then I laugh and say my price wont change. The buds speak for themselves. Then some of them want clones of the same strains I.come in. I tell them a $100 a clone. For the time I put in pheno selecting and working a strain. I never sold a clone but I was making a point to them.

I stopped shopping my weed around after that. I found a niche with some very wealthy sick people. I still whole sale my stuff. They love me for that. The dispensaries charge them more for wackness. I still help out with the broke people too. I work with them. Some I donate for free.
 
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hyroot said:
the shops are greedy. They break down a pound and make $4800 a pound. Most good shops go through more than that in a day.. They aren't willing to pay for the work and skill put in for quality nugget. Even though their bud tenders get paid more than they're willing to pay the grower.Even $2500 a pound doesn't cover all the bills and over head. For the growers that live off their garden. I was working with this one dispensary that paid me 2850 a pound cashed out. They started growing their own. Once the harvested they didn't need me any more. I did so consulting for their grow in the beginning. They did pay me for my time. Most other dispensaries lowball me at $2000 a pound and say they don't pay street prices. Then I laugh and say my price wont change. The buds speak for themselves. Then some of them want clones of the same strains I.come in. I tell them a $100 a clone. For the time I put in pheno selecting and working a strain. I never sold a clone but I was making a point to them.
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i just feel if you treat it as medicine then you also know it's a better alternative for you then mainstream pharmaceutical and every body had a right to affordable health care and it does not take 2000 dollars to make lb. that's ridiculous and if your growing for profit i strongly feel you take advantage over other people who can't our don't know how
 
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