Social Democracy?..

would you vote for social democracy?


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schuylaar

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hypothetically: supposing our next president proposes this model as long as there is super-majority of 60%..would you vote for it?:







 

see4

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The concept of super majority and the kin, 2/3, 3/5, etc are nonsense and should be done away with.

Absolute majority votes where abstention is a no vote is the only voting system that should be in place. Our tax dollars pay for politicians to do their fucking jobs.

As for social democracy, I need more information to decide.
 

schuylaar

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The concept of super majority and the kin, 2/3, 3/5, etc are nonsense and should be done away with.

Absolute majority votes where abstention is a no vote is the only voting system that should be in place. Our tax dollars pay for politicians to do their fucking jobs.

As for social democracy, I need more information to decide.
i used 'super-majority' because it's what's being done, currently..when you have super-majority, there is clear direction of the people, supposedly..51%yea 49% neigh, can be challenged.

of course, i can't agree with you more about politicians and their jobs..i'm the one who suggested minimum wage for congressional salaries with incremental increases on par with mcd.

the real question is..is it not time to take care of all..nanny state?, i beg to differ, nannies take care of wealthy children..i've never had a nanny, did anyone here? nanny state to the wealthy more like it: IRS tax code.
 

see4

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Will you allow for tax breaks in your Flat Tax system? Because, well ya know, 20% of the income earning less than $25,000 is a big fucking deal, but 20% to income earning over $200,000 isn't.

And yes, I understand that tax is not supposed to "feel" like a penalty. But you need to look at it from a realist perspective.
 

schuylaar

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Will you allow for tax breaks in your Flat Tax system? Because, well ya know, 20% of the income earning less than $25,000 is a big fucking deal, but 20% to income earning over $200,000 isn't.

And yes, I understand that tax is not supposed to "feel" like a penalty. But you need to look at it from a realist perspective.


the flat would have to be sliding scale based upon the previous years tax returns filed.
 

see4

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the flat would have to be sliding scale based upon the previous years tax returns filed.
So, progressive flat tax? I like it!

So an example may be:

People who make under $10,000 get taxed 10%
People who make between $10,001 and $37,500 get taxed 15%
People who make between $37,501 and $91,000 get taxed 25%
and so on.

I like your way of thinking!

:cool:
 

desert dude

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Will you allow for tax breaks in your Flat Tax system? Because, well ya know, 20% of the income earning less than $25,000 is a big fucking deal, but 20% to income earning over $200,000 isn't.

And yes, I understand that tax is not supposed to "feel" like a penalty. But you need to look at it from a realist perspective.
Tax everything below the poverty line at 0%, everything above at 10%. No deductions. Tax cheats get butt-fucked, then deported to 18 miles past the wet side of the coast line.
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
So, progressive flat tax? I like it!

So an example may be:

People who make under $10,000 get taxed 10%
People who make between $10,001 and $37,500 get taxed 15%
People who make between $37,501 and $91,000 get taxed 25%
and so on.

I like your way of thinking!

:cool:
thank you.

another idea..1) make it a felony to accept kick backs etc..2)have all our elections online. 3)website where you will have access to your representatives based upon your register (address) for that area, when a bill is schedule to be voted on, the proposed bill will be available for review and constituent votes..representative must follow the majority in his/her vote in congress..finally 'the people' will have a say in the running of our country. that you access everything through voter ID#..end of voter suppression, too.
 

see4

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Tax everything below the poverty line at 0%, everything above at 10%. No deductions. Tax cheats get butt-fucked, then deported to 18 miles past the wet side of the coast line.
9-9-9 was a bad idea.

0-10 is also a bad idea. You won't be able to support your crack habit (defense budget) with that kind of revenue. Let alone any other program.

Under your plan, home ownership would decline, spending would decline and savings would likely increase. You also have done nothing to stop corporate greed and the "job creators" will continue to save all their pennies and much more now. Why? Because that is what they are doing now, and lowering their tax basis will only further their need to save, not job create.

Trickle down economics is a sham.
 

see4

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thank you.

another idea..1) make it a felony to accept kick backs etc..2)have all our elections online. 3)website where you will have access to your representatives based upon your register (address) for that area, when a bill is schedule to be voted on, the proposed bill will be available for review and constituent votes..representative must follow the majority in his/her vote in congress..finally 'the people' will have a say in the running of our country. that you access everything through voter ID#..end of voter suppression, too.
No need for voter id. Base everything off SSID. Internet huh? Novel idea. Except not everyone has it, and not everyone has access to a computer. You are introducing a new abstract that allows fraudulent parties to defraud a system. Computers = hackers = fraudulent voting.

If I'm not mistaken, kickbacks are already illegal. Isn't that a form of corporate bribery? Legal in some countries, but has been outlawed here for quite some time, no?
 

schuylaar

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No need for voter id. Base everything off SSID. Internet huh? Novel idea. Except not everyone has it, and not everyone has access to a computer. You are introducing a new abstract that allows fraudulent parties to defraud a system. Computers = hackers = fraudulent voting.

If I'm not mistaken, kickbacks are already illegal. Isn't that a form of corporate bribery? Legal in some countries, but has been outlawed here for quite some time, no?
voters would have the option of mailing in their vote. those votes are never counted unless it's too close to call.

senate and house members get indicted all the time for kickbacks.
 

see4

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voters would have the option of mailing in their vote. those votes are never counted unless it's too close to call.

senate and house members get indicted all the time for kickbacks.
Right, so it's already a felony. It's just that nobody ever goes to jail over it, unless you're a peasant.

Yea, I like your idea. Better yet, why not just use SSID to tabulate votes. Once a vote is cast for that particular SSID, it is complete. You can cast a vote any way you like. Via, a text, online, in person, mail, email, messenger pigeon, whatever floats one's boat.

Build out a massive LDAP with a single relational table, and 2 rows. Row 1 is SSID, Row 2 Voted. And then you can have child databases with foreign key indices pointing to the SSID on the LDAP to look up who they voted for. That is scalable from the town level all the way up to President.

Oh, and you can change your vote any time up to a certain point in time. Maybe 4 hours before election deadline or something. That would curb fraud.
 
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