yeah but was the guy stunned?Those are the words of a popular song from the '60's.
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desert dude
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I quoted a bible passage because Sky made the absurd claim that the bible is silent on the issue of homosexuality. It is not.
I am an atheist, but I am practical enough to realize that engaging in a religious war is foolish. And that is what it is when secular people tell religious people they must violate their principles, however silly those principles might seem. For example, Hobby Lobby provides their employees with contraceptive health coverage, but they objected to a limited set of what they consider abortion inducing drugs. Forcing HL to violate their religious convictions is just looking for trouble with nothing of substance gained. Civil liberties are more valuable to our society than a victory in the culture war.
Leave people alone.
That is why I object to a large government, it inevitably leads to stupid laws such as the drug war, and civil asset forfeiture, and the destruction civil liberties. Some politician said, "a government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have". That is a correct assessment.
Progressives' obsession with growing the government marks them as naive.
I am an atheist, but I am practical enough to realize that engaging in a religious war is foolish. And that is what it is when secular people tell religious people they must violate their principles, however silly those principles might seem. For example, Hobby Lobby provides their employees with contraceptive health coverage, but they objected to a limited set of what they consider abortion inducing drugs. Forcing HL to violate their religious convictions is just looking for trouble with nothing of substance gained. Civil liberties are more valuable to our society than a victory in the culture war.
Leave people alone.
That is why I object to a large government, it inevitably leads to stupid laws such as the drug war, and civil asset forfeiture, and the destruction civil liberties. Some politician said, "a government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have". That is a correct assessment.
Progressives' obsession with growing the government marks them as naive.
UncleBuck
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you quoted the old testament.
that's the violent version of the bible that you claim christians don't believe in, until you need to justify your bigoted beliefs.
bullshit.
bullshit.
since when is denying goods and services to gay people a religious principle?
are you talking about the same "abortion inducing drugs" (AKA hormonal birth control) that they are invested in to the tune of $73 million?
hardly seems like they have an deeply held conviction or religious objection to those drugs, since they have $73 million invested in those very same "abortion inducing drugs" (AKA hormonal birth control).
you dishonest. save the fascist propaganda.
says the white supremacist who opposes civil rights.
unless, of course, a woman is pregnant, in which case they need nanny state collectivist moral majority bible thumping fuckwads like you tot tell them what to do.
blithering hypocrite.
desert dude
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Derp, herp...........
your statement above? what about when religious force their values on someone else's body..they don't want to have an abortion? don't but don't try to take my right to do as i wish with my body..and if i want to abort a zygote that is unviable outside the womb? that's my choice too..my body..your contention is that of religious freedom? you're polluting my air and personal space with your belief and that's what secular people don't get about the religious ones..do you understand this?..i have as much right to not believe a pretend man in the sky exists just as they have the right to believe. and not be hassled about it.
we would all be better off, if people kept their beliefs to themselves!
when last in history, did business owners not welcome LGBT? put signs in the windows? when?
desert dude
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I agree with you. On every point you made. I am not polluting your personal space with religious beliefs. I don't have any religious beliefs.
We would all be better off if we minded our own business and associated with whomever we want.
I don't know when business owners put anti-gay signs in their windows.
Abortion is a special case. I support abortion rights up till the point the fetus becomes a person. After that point, it is not about "your rights" or a "woman's rights", it is about a child being protected from murder. The only point of contention is when is that point reached? You have said that you don't support elective abortion beyond 20 weeks of gestation. I agree with you on that. I can't imagine what sort of monster supports elective abortions beyond that point. Objecting to murder requires no religious belief.
desert dude
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Yeah, we agree.
UncleBuck
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says the guy quoting the bible, speaking out for hobby lobby, religious business owners, chic fil A, and so on.
what a liar you are. at least own up to your bible thumping.
UncleBuck
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you don't debate me because you are a coward and your bigoted views are indefensible.
i can't wait to watch your fellow bible thumping GOPers defend this shit in the debates. or run away from it.
either way, it'll be entertaining.
TBoneJack
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He doesn't debate you because you don't want to debate - you just want to railroad everyone here who doesn't believe as you do.
PLEASE cite me a recent post you made where you very much disagreed with someone, without calling them names.
PLEASE show me ANY thread in which you very much disagreed with someone, without trying to turn it into a pissing contest.
Try debating without name-calling. IOW, try to follow the fucking rules here.
UncleBuck
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shut the fuck up, murdoch.
your bigoted buddy precludes any chance of civil debate by starting from the default position of "you are gay therefore you do not deserve the same rights as straight people and religious people".
and you defend that too, i can go back through your 9 previous sock puppets and pull the quotes.
desert rat is a white supremacist bible thumping coward whose views are indefensible.
TBoneJack
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But you asked him to debate. And yet you show none of the traits of someone who can truly debate, because you lose your temper too easily. If it weren't for that, you'd probably win most every debate here, because you're smart and can express yourself eloquently. If only you weren't also a fucking asshole...
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Rob Roy
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Some will no doubt, suffer a loss of business and ostracism for their bigotry. The Free market has consequences for our choices.
Rob Roy
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But you asked him to debate. And yet you show none of the traits of someone who can truly debate, because you lose your temper too easily. If it weren't for that, you'd probably win most every debate here, because you're smart and can express yourself eloquently. If only you weren't also a fucking asshole...
Agreed with the first part of your post. Disagree with the second part. The third part is self evident.
TBoneJack
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Yeah, please consider the second part as a joke of sorts.
UncleBuck
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i'm not going to argue with a talking ball of mucus.But you asked him to debate. And yet you show none of the traits of someone who can truly debate, because you lose your temper too easily. If it weren't for that, you'd probably win most every debate here, because you're smart and can express yourself eloquently. If only you weren't also a fucking asshole...
TBoneJack
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In other words, you refuse to debate him.
UncleBuck
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you've got it backwards, sockpuppet the ninth.
it is desert dude who has me on ignore, because he is a coward and his views are indefensible.