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GroErr

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Mohican said:
How does the JTR x BB smell?
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The larger 5 gal is getting stronger daily for the last week or so, right now very distinct lemon background, much like JTR, and a stronger sweet berry smell coming in, Pheno 2 in the 3 gal started like that and got sweeter as it's ripened, think blueberry creamsicle , that's what comes to mind when I smell that one.
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a senile fungus

a senile fungus

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Hey GroErr!

My girls are nearly done! I would have to agree with you, CMH seems to make them finish faster.

My last run with GG4 was around 70days till finished, my girls right now are at 50days and looking nearly done! Maybe another week or so...

Hope all is well with you and the fam!
 
GroErr

GroErr

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a senile fungus said:
Hey GroErr!

My girls are nearly done! I would have to agree with you, CMH seems to make them finish faster.

My last run with GG4 was around 70days till finished, my girls right now are at 50days and looking nearly done! Maybe another week or so...

Hope all is well with you and the fam!
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Hey senile, well thanks, sounds like you're doing alright, at least with the CMH. They consistently knock off anywhere from 4-6 days off for me with any strain I've run under LED's. I have a cut running for the last time of a Harlequin pheno that's pretty well done at 43 days, will let it go around 45-47. I've yet to go beyond 55 days with any strains I've run under them.

What I find is they take off and set into budding much faster, they get about a week ahead in the first 3-4 weeks and pretty well remain there in comparison to my LED's. Takes some adjustments and getting used to it at first, they mature so fast in the first few weeks that some strains behave differently under these lights. Both of my DIY phenos had a bit of a hard time this round in the first week, sucked all the N out of the soil quick so I had to supplement them to get them back on track, once they adjusted they were good but went light green in the first few days quick. Other than that, nothing to complain about ;)

Different strains here but here's a comparison of my LED buds at 27 days and CMH buds at 29 days, huge difference. Although the LED's will catch up, the CMH definitely finishes earlier: Rough Cam shots but you'll get the idea... The CMH buds are well developed and colas are forming while the LED buds are still "young" and not filling in as dense yet.

LED Day 27:
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CMH Day 29 (taller one's at back):
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GroErr

GroErr

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Wholly shit, no skiing or boarding for the next 48 hours or so, insanely cold and windy! Here's the current forecast and the next couple of days in my area... No worries about overheating the flower room, wish I had some plants in there that turned purple, easy enough to drop the night temps right now ;)
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Mo!

Mo!

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Hey man, what do you end up using for camera in your areas? I've seen a few glimpses of them and saw one that looked like it had an IR ring for night shots. I've been looking to put some in mine but wanted to see what has held up for others.

And are you using just the cam software? Or you have something else for the 4-way shots?
 
Dloomis514

Dloomis514

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Mo! said:
Hey man, what do you end up using for camera in your areas? I've seen a few glimpses of them and saw one that looked like it had an IR ring for night shots. I've been looking to put some in mine but wanted to see what has held up for others.

And are you using just the cam software? Or you have something else for the 4-way shots?
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i have used a few, Logitech webcams with Video Velocity. The one i really like is Many-cam with Chronlog - works great for free, bought a $20 webcam at Staples with a $10 certificate!
 
Dloomis514

Dloomis514

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Dloomis514 said:
i have used a few, Logitech webcams with Video Velocity. The one i really like is Many-cam with Chronlog - works great for free, bought a $20 webcam at Staples with a $10 certificate!
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Have used 1 picutre per 20 minutes and one per hour, the one [er hour creates about a second a day of video, so in 8 weeks about a minute of video.
 
GroErr

GroErr

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Mo! said:
Hey man, what do you end up using for camera in your areas? I've seen a few glimpses of them and saw one that looked like it had an IR ring for night shots. I've been looking to put some in mine but wanted to see what has held up for others.

And are you using just the cam software? Or you have something else for the 4-way shots?
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Hey Mo, I'm using the Foscam cameras, a few different models. They're a step above webcams feature-wise but also much more expensive. I'm in technology and can write these off through my business so no big deal for me to spend the extra. They have some cool features like built-in SD card slots for recording video, video or still shots, scheduled captures etc. The 4-way shots are using the built-in browser plug-in that comes with every camera, you can have several cameras on screen, think it's up to 16. They have some add-on software but it's not necessary for multi-view.

Dloomis514 said:
i have used a few, Logitech webcams with Video Velocity. The one i really like is Many-cam with Chronlog - works great for free, bought a $20 webcam at Staples with a $10 certificate!
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Dloomis514 said:
Have used 1 picutre per 20 minutes and one per hour, the one [er hour creates about a second a day of video, so in 8 weeks about a minute of video.
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I've seen some cool setups like yours, including one guy running an old tablet. If I were paying for them out of pocket I probably would get more creative ;)
 
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sm0k4

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Hey Gro, Awesome production with those cmh lights. I am a hobby grower as well and am just about finished with my first actual room. I learned to grow indoors with a two stage cab I built, so this new room will be a real treat and I can now grow some bigger plants. One of the recent purchases I made for my lighting was the LEC 630 from Sun Systems, so after some web searching for grow journals, I stumbled upon yours. The reflector uses two 315W bulbs. Although, one could argue about the overlap between the bulbs may create hot spots, I think I can manage. The height of the reflector is also a lot thinner than the vertical 315W. Due to my flowering space, 3.5'W x 3'D x 7'H, I thought this was more efficent than two of the LEC 315s. One issue I've been having lately though is nutes. It seems I can't get it dialed in right. I can't get the right schedule down.

So I am seeking some advice as to what your feeding schedule is with these lights. I read on your other thread that you use Sensi nutes to supplement your mix, but at what frequency? Every watering...every other...? Do you gradually increase ppm each week?

Nute scheduling is the only area I struggle in right now. Everything else I have pretty well dialed in. Every 4-5 cycles I will get a plant or two that likes to fade its leaves by week 4-5 of flowering which reduces my yield. I'm guessing underfeeding or lockout.

I use 60/40 Pro-Mix/Perlite soil and toss in some blood meal, bone meal, earthworm castings, and some Happy Frog All-Purpose dry fert. I let that cook in large bins for at least 1 month, then transplant my ladies in this mix 1-2 weeks before going to the flower chamber. I have been using up the last of my Pure Blend Pro nutes, and a buddy gave me some Sensi A+B to try out with the new room. I usually feed every weekend, then regular water during the week. Most times I don't have issues, but like I said, every once in a while plants start fading yellow, or getting yellowing on the outer edges.

Thanks for any tips and great work with those lights!

Also, in your experience are larger pots really that much better? I was planning on running 2-3 foot plants in 3 gal pots, but notice you use 5. Even though the roots don't 'fill' up the pot, do they produce better with that extra root space?

Sorry for the wall of text. You have a setup that is similar to my new one so I want to learn all you know!
 
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GroErr

GroErr

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sm0k4 said:
Hey Gro, Awesome production with those cmh lights. I am a hobby grower as well and am just about finished with my first actual room. I learned to grow indoors with a two stage cab I built, so this new room will be a real treat and I can now grow some bigger plants. One of the recent purchases I made for my lighting was the LEC 630 from Sun Systems, so after some web searching for grow journals, I stumbled upon yours. The reflector uses two 315W bulbs. Although, one could argue about the overlap between the bulbs may create hot spots, I think I can manage. The height of the reflector is also a lot thinner than the vertical 315W. Due to my flowering space, 3.5'W x 3'D x 7'H, I thought this was more efficent than two of the LEC 315s. One issue I've been having lately though is nutes. It seems I can't get it dialed in right. I can't get the right schedule down.

So I am seeking some advice as to what your feeding schedule is with these lights. I read on your other thread that you use Sensi nutes to supplement your mix, but at what frequency? Every watering...every other...? Do you gradually increase ppm each week?

Nute scheduling is the only area I struggle in right now. Everything else I have pretty well dialed in. Every 4-5 cycles I will get a plant or two that likes to fade its leaves by week 4-5 of flowering which reduces my yield. I'm guessing underfeeding or lockout.

I use 60/40 Pro-Mix/Perlite soil and toss in some blood meal, bone meal, earthworm castings, and some Happy Frog All-Purpose dry fert. I let that cook in large bins for at least 1 month, then transplant my ladies in this mix 1-2 weeks before going to the flower chamber. I have been using up the last of my Pure Blend Pro nutes, and a buddy gave me some Sensi A+B to try out with the new room. I usually feed every weekend, then regular water during the week. Most times I don't have issues, but like I said, every once in a while plants start fading yellow, or getting yellowing on the outer edges.

Thanks for any tips and great work with those lights!

Also, in your experience are larger pots really that much better? I was planning on running 2-3 foot plants in 3 gal pots, but notice you use 5. Even though the roots don't 'fill' up the pot, do they produce better with that extra root space?

Sorry for the wall of text. You have a setup that is similar to my new one so I want to learn all you know!
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Hey sm0ke4, thanks for stopping by. That's cool, haven't seen any of those 630's grow, you'll have awesome coverage in that space, will be interesting to see what the heat's like but wow that's a lot of light in that footprint. I run the 315's covering 3x3, more like 3x3.5 right now with the 3x 5 gal plants.

On the nutes, I've been trying a few things. Right now by the time they go into flowering my medium doesn't have much left in it. I'm trying 640 ppm this round, up from 550 last round, noticing some tip burn so I'm backing it down to 600. Feeding every other watering, then week 4-7 I feed-feed-water. Last week they get just water. Your soil is hotter though, I'm not adding anything, it's 50/50 Pro-Mix/Triple Mix. You may want to try every other at around 500 and see how they react. It's something you have to adjust to your medium and how your plants/strains are reacting. My mix is somewhere between soil and soilless, particularly once they get a few weeks into flowering, there's nothing left so the nutrients come from the AN feeds.

I'm still trying to determine between 3 & 5 gal runs, I've been running too many strains recently to be able to determine the best run but I am leaning towards less, larger pots. Overall it's less work and I think if I'm more selective with clones and seedling phenos I can get the same or more in 5 gal. Best single plant yet was a 7 gal, will likely run 2x 7 gal's in a couple of rounds.

You'll have a nice setup, you can work out the process as you get some experience, if it's getting too complicated, step back and remember they're weeds, they can pretty well grow themselves ;)
 
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sm0k4

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Thanks for clearing some stuff up. I think part of my problem is that I'm running perpetual harvests in the cab of 2 plants every 3 weeks for 9 week strains. I quit mixing separate batches of nutes and started feeding them all the same. 4-500ppm every Sunday. Usually, with the soil I mix, they can go about a month or a little more before I need to feed.

I think some just aren't getting enough food after a month in flower. It's just weird that some plants(I've ran the same two strains from clone for over a year now) do great with the same variables, but once in a while I get a bad run. Maybe I will switch to two flower cycles to keep the variables at a minimum while I dial in the nutes and feedings. I am also a bad note taker for the room. I keep a grow log but don't update all the info as much as I should. Life gets busy and I don't have the time every week, which is the main reason I will be setting up a micro controlled room once it is up and running.

Where did you buy the neoprene plugs for your cloner? I've been just putting the cuts in a mix of seed starter and coarse coco. Looking to upgrade since rooting has been taking too long. Esp. In winter when it's colder in the basement.
 
GroErr

GroErr

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sm0k4 said:
Thanks for clearing some stuff up. I think part of my problem is that I'm running perpetual harvests in the cab of 2 plants every 3 weeks for 9 week strains. I quit mixing separate batches of nutes and started feeding them all the same. 4-500ppm every Sunday. Usually, with the soil I mix, they can go about a month or a little more before I need to feed.

I think some just aren't getting enough food after a month in flower. It's just weird that some plants(I've ran the same two strains from clone for over a year now) do great with the same variables, but once in a while I get a bad run. Maybe I will switch to two flower cycles to keep the variables at a minimum while I dial in the nutes and feedings. I am also a bad note taker for the room. I keep a grow log but don't update all the info as much as I should. Life gets busy and I don't have the time every week, which is the main reason I will be setting up a micro controlled room once it is up and running.

Where did you buy the neoprene plugs for your cloner? I've been just putting the cuts in a mix of seed starter and coarse coco. Looking to upgrade since rooting has been taking too long. Esp. In winter when it's colder in the basement.
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Sounds like your soil mix is good as-is but fading out towards the middle-end of flowering, may want to try feedings when you hit around the 4 week mark to supplement, or stay organic and look at teas in that timeframe. If you're running large plants in 3 gal's they're probably running out of nutrients in the soil, going to 5 gal may help in that scenario.

One thing I'd highly recommend is logging all key variables. That would include environment, up-potting, feeds/waterings/soil amendments at minimum. When I was initially running one cabinet I wasn't logging as much, but as I expanded out and now have 4 rooms/tents with plants at different stages I find it an absolute must. I have those La Crosse wireless temp/RH monitors that log/monitor the environment for me and log everything else with keywords in Word so I can reference things like where I am in my feed/watering schedules. Trying to remember doesn't work very well when you have multiple grows going. Trying to remember what I did in each grow doesn't work for me (sampling the wares doesn't help!), 1/2 the time I'm wrong if I try and guess, if I didn't have the logs I'd be all over the place. You can go simple like I do with Word or more elaborate with some grow software, there's some free logging software around like this one, or this one, I'm sure there are others.

Cloners are great, highly recommended, 10-14 days for most strains, some as long as 20 days, some strains clone much easier/faster than others but I've yet to hit a strain I couldn't clone in aero. I built my own but there's a bunch of guys using one called King Clone I think that's around $60 on e-Bay/Amazon, probably not worth building if you can buy one for that price. I think they come with everything ready to go. I can't remember exactly where I bought my neoprene pucks and baskets, I use a couple of online vendors for supplies, think it may have been Canadian Wholesale Hydroponics, their service/delivery could be better but good prices. if you're in the US you have a lot more options and you can buy everything cheaper (specially now our Canadian dollar sucks!). Mine is a 12 site cloner and initially bought something like 40 of each but I've been using the same baskets and pucks for over a year, I just clean them when I clean the cloner and re-use them. Cheers and good luck, looking forward to seeing those 630's in action!
 
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