Has anyone taken a look at PA's "perfect legalization bill" lately?

....and I was so goddamned excited it was finally happening.

I've been away from the site, perhaps this has been posted here already (I'd be surprised if it wasn't), but I just read over the bill now and need to vent. The bill was called one of the finest examples of a medical marijuana bill, but some serious changes were made at the last minute, breeze through it if you haven't already: http://www.legis.state.pa.us/CFDOCS/Legis/PN/Public/btCheck.cfm?txtType=PDF&sessYr=2013&sessInd=0&billBody=S&billTyp=B&billNbr=1182&pn=2324

The only acceptable means of ingesting cannabis would be through edibles, tinctures, and oils; no vaporizing or smoking! Besides that, there is only ten (!) medically acceptable diagnoses for it's use. The biggest kicker for me was the grower licensing cost, it went from a very doable 5,000, to a fucking absurd 50,000! This ruined my night, I've dreamed of growing professionally for years now, so much so that I've stopped preparing for any other jobs....(anyone know of any good websites to find investors???) I believe they also seriously limited the amount of licenses that would be available.

Do any other states have such absurd MM laws? I've certainly never heard of a 50 grand production license fee.

Sorry just needed to bitch.

But philly has decrim now right? NJ and MA are also screwed. FL will soon follow.

Yes, philly is working on decrim, I'm not sure if it's gone through yet or not.

So PA isn't the first state to make a mess of medical marijuana? I feel a little better at least.

The legislators there in PA , and FL , and the rest of the states will all be forced to pass recreational legalization after 2016. There's going to be MANY states with recreational legalization on the ballot in November 2016, even in the eastern states such as Vermont, Maine , Rhode Island, Delaware, Connecticut, and quite a few of the western states too such as Oregon, California, Arizona, Montana. 2016 will be the turning point that will ultimately create the catalyst for kicking off a defacto nationwide legalization sweeping thru the states. Just have a little more patience because the "medical" only legalization is pretty much a lost cause fight now because of the insane restrictions such as these PA and FL bills regarding MMJ. A LOT more states will be getting recreational legalization in the fall of 2016 and that's going to be the straw that breaks the prohibitionist camel's back.

All of the states that will be joining Colorado 2 years from now are going to create so many judicial nightmares and budget drains on the surrounding states that border the soon coming legalized states the legislators in the remaining illegal states will have no other option but to join their legalized neighboring states. Cops in the surrounding legalized states are going to go into super-bust mode arresting the daily travelers that will be crossing into the neighboring legalized states and returning home that annual county, city, state budgets will be spent out in 2 or 3 months. It's not going to matter if the Feds refuse to reschedule it either, as really soon shortly after 2 yrs from now, there's not going to be any funding left in the states' budgets or space in the jails to continue marijuana prosecutions.

It's like what a Nebraska sheriff who's county borders Colorado said in an interview with a reporter last May, that he had spent his entire yearly budget in 3 months from all the marijuana busts that his deputies had made by housing, feeding, giving medical treatment to, as well as the county having to pay a public defender to defend all of those arrested in his county. This was in Dueul county ,Nebraska. The rest of the states are going to soon realize this ,that refuse to put forth recreational legalization. The nation is going BROKE. This is why I think 2018 will be at the latest before the nation has defacto legalization by every state passing full legalization. The black market will also be using these soon coming legalized states as legal cover for grow operations while also using them as a pipeline to feed a supply into the surrounding illegal states. Then the surrounding law enforcement in illegal states will soon be in a position of not being able to provide public defenders, medical treatment, and even jail space after they go into marijuana crackdown mode on herb users. 2016 is going to set off a crashing row of dominoes. Marijuana prosecutions 2+ yrs from now just won't be sustainable for local law enforcement to continue making the arrests.

The Dueul County Nebraska sheriff said that 1 out of 5 vehicles coming thru his county have been turning up marijuana in their cars. Now consider when 1 out of 3 vehicles start turning up with marijuana in MULTIPLE states all at once. Think about this, county and city budgets only have so much to operate with for the year, when hundreds and hundreds of counties and cities start wiping out their yearly budgets on petty marijuana misdemeanor traffic stop busts in 2 months, legislators are going to start getting some aggressive feedback from sheriffs and police chiefs in these illegal states that they are flat busted. What will these legislators do then ? Even the sheriff of Nebraska said that if his Nebraska legislators made less than an ounce of herb only a citation offense instead of the current handcuff offense, that he doubted those that were cited would bother to pay it.

Recreational is coming nationwide by defacto and the Feds cannot stop it. Don't sweat not being able to get a relaxed medical bill because in a few more years, you'll be able to grow legally and without some doctor's approval.

And it will be cheap. Two grand a pound is the current going rate in recreational Colorado on the black market, and that price has nowhere to go but down as the legalization trend gathers steam nationwide.

There's going to be a lot of growers out of work at $400 pounds.

Fuck. I was really debating getting a place right across the border of PA. Debate settled now. :'(

TreeOfLiberty said:

The legislators there in PA , and FL , and the rest of the states will all be forced to pass recreational legalization after 2016. There's going to be MANY states with recreational legalization on the ballot in November 2016, even in the eastern states such as Vermont, Maine , Rhode Island, Delaware, Connecticut, and quite a few of the western states too such as Oregon, California, Arizona, Montana. 2016 will be the turning point that will ultimately create the catalyst for kicking off a defacto nationwide legalization sweeping thru the states. Just have a little more patience because the "medical" only legalization is pretty much a lost cause fight now because of the insane restrictions such as these PA and FL bills regarding MMJ. A LOT more states will be getting recreational legalization in the fall of 2016 and that's going to be the straw that breaks the prohibitionist camel's back.

All of the states that will be joining Colorado 2 years from now are going to create so many judicial nightmares and budget drains on the surrounding states that border the soon coming legalized states the legislators in the remaining illegal states will have no other option but to join their legalized neighboring states. Cops in the surrounding legalized states are going to go into super-bust mode arresting the daily travelers that will be crossing into the neighboring legalized states and returning home that annual county, city, state budgets will be spent out in 2 or 3 months. It's not going to matter if the Feds refuse to reschedule it either, as really soon shortly after 2 yrs from now, there's not going to be any funding left in the states' budgets or space in the jails to continue marijuana prosecutions.

It's like what a Nebraska sheriff who's county borders Colorado said in an interview with a reporter last May, that he had spent his entire yearly budget in 3 months from all the marijuana busts that his deputies had made by housing, feeding, giving medical treatment to, as well as the county having to pay a public defender to defend all of those arrested in his county. This was in Dueul county ,Nebraska. The rest of the states are going to soon realize this ,that refuse to put forth recreational legalization. The nation is going BROKE. This is why I think 2018 will be at the latest before the nation has defacto legalization by every state passing full legalization. The black market will also be using these soon coming legalized states as legal cover for grow operations while also using them as a pipeline to feed a supply into the surrounding illegal states. Then the surrounding law enforcement in illegal states will soon be in a position of not being able to provide public defenders, medical treatment, and even jail space after they go into marijuana crackdown mode on herb users. 2016 is going to set off a crashing row of dominoes. Marijuana prosecutions 2+ yrs from now just won't be sustainable for local law enforcement to continue making the arrests.

The Dueul County Nebraska sheriff said that 1 out of 5 vehicles coming thru his county have been turning up marijuana in their cars. Now consider when 1 out of 3 vehicles start turning up with marijuana in MULTIPLE states all at once. Think about this, county and city budgets only have so much to operate with for the year, when hundreds and hundreds of counties and cities start wiping out their yearly budgets on petty marijuana misdemeanor traffic stop busts in 2 months, legislators are going to start getting some aggressive feedback from sheriffs and police chiefs in these illegal states that they are flat busted. What will these legislators do then ? Even the sheriff of Nebraska said that if his Nebraska legislators made less than an ounce of herb only a citation offense instead of the current handcuff offense, that he doubted those that were cited would bother to pay it.

Recreational is coming nationwide by defacto and the Feds cannot stop it. Don't sweat not being able to get a relaxed medical bill because in a few more years, you'll be able to grow legally and without some doctor's approval.

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Way to go tree......See you've put some thought into this, and I believe have some of this figured out.I believe the south will be the legal laggards of the bunch,2020 or 2022 looks like the track they are on. Homegrow in the bills will be a bigger fight than the actual votes to go legal. Some states voters may vote for anything that is offered up. The pro legal clan may have to campaign against a no homegrow bill and take credit for defeating it to derail the no grow referendums that will surely pop up. Governments will be desperate for the revenue, when they see a no grow program go down they will offer a better plan than the crumbiest (Washington St.) thing they think can get 50% +1 on.

TreeOfLiberty said:

The legislators there in PA , and FL , and the rest of the states will all be forced to pass recreational legalization after 2016. There's going to be MANY states with recreational legalization on the ballot in November 2016, even in the eastern states such as Vermont, Maine , Rhode Island, Delaware, Connecticut, and quite a few of the western states too such as Oregon, California, Arizona, Montana. 2016 will be the turning point that will ultimately create the catalyst for kicking off a defacto nationwide legalization sweeping thru the states. Just have a little more patience because the "medical" only legalization is pretty much a lost cause fight now because of the insane restrictions such as these PA and FL bills regarding MMJ. A LOT more states will be getting recreational legalization in the fall of 2016 and that's going to be the straw that breaks the prohibitionist camel's back.

All of the states that will be joining Colorado 2 years from now are going to create so many judicial nightmares and budget drains on the surrounding states that border the soon coming legalized states the legislators in the remaining illegal states will have no other option but to join their legalized neighboring states. Cops in the surrounding legalized states are going to go into super-bust mode arresting the daily travelers that will be crossing into the neighboring legalized states and returning home that annual county, city, state budgets will be spent out in 2 or 3 months. It's not going to matter if the Feds refuse to reschedule it either, as really soon shortly after 2 yrs from now, there's not going to be any funding left in the states' budgets or space in the jails to continue marijuana prosecutions.

It's like what a Nebraska sheriff who's county borders Colorado said in an interview with a reporter last May, that he had spent his entire yearly budget in 3 months from all the marijuana busts that his deputies had made by housing, feeding, giving medical treatment to, as well as the county having to pay a public defender to defend all of those arrested in his county. This was in Dueul county ,Nebraska. The rest of the states are going to soon realize this ,that refuse to put forth recreational legalization. The nation is going BROKE. This is why I think 2018 will be at the latest before the nation has defacto legalization by every state passing full legalization. The black market will also be using these soon coming legalized states as legal cover for grow operations while also using them as a pipeline to feed a supply into the surrounding illegal states. Then the surrounding law enforcement in illegal states will soon be in a position of not being able to provide public defenders, medical treatment, and even jail space after they go into marijuana crackdown mode on herb users. 2016 is going to set off a crashing row of dominoes. Marijuana prosecutions 2+ yrs from now just won't be sustainable for local law enforcement to continue making the arrests.

The Dueul County Nebraska sheriff said that 1 out of 5 vehicles coming thru his county have been turning up marijuana in their cars. Now consider when 1 out of 3 vehicles start turning up with marijuana in MULTIPLE states all at once. Think about this, county and city budgets only have so much to operate with for the year, when hundreds and hundreds of counties and cities start wiping out their yearly budgets on petty marijuana misdemeanor traffic stop busts in 2 months, legislators are going to start getting some aggressive feedback from sheriffs and police chiefs in these illegal states that they are flat busted. What will these legislators do then ? Even the sheriff of Nebraska said that if his Nebraska legislators made less than an ounce of herb only a citation offense instead of the current handcuff offense, that he doubted those that were cited would bother to pay it.

Recreational is coming nationwide by defacto and the Feds cannot stop it. Don't sweat not being able to get a relaxed medical bill because in a few more years, you'll be able to grow legally and without some doctor's approval.

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I agree with most of what you said , except

We are not going broke, we are broke infact we are severly in debt

Many enforcement agencys are making a killing from civil forfeiture , only the money almost stays in the agencys instead of being spread throught the system. starting salary for a officer in my county is 70k , many senior officals make over 250k +all the rest of the BS , and their tranning grounds are to drool over

this shit is never going to be fully legal even colorado legal weed is a joke and nobody buys from the dispensaries there. they just over charge you for mass produced product like beasters in canada. they limit this shit and it sucks just grow as much as you want and sell shit for how much you want and never buy from this legal bullshit its all a stupid game fuck them im addicted to the game

That bill got shot down, the new pa governor will help the cause. I live in pa too. Nepa

ttystikk said:

And it will be cheap. Two grand a pound is the current going rate in recreational Colorado on the black market, and that price has nowhere to go but down as the legalization trend gathers steam nationwide.

There's going to be a lot of growers out of work at $400 pounds.

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There are reports of $800/lb. pot in the Denver area.

I think you're right. It isn't that hard to grow. And using factory farm techniques, it will just keep getting cheaper. Some have predicted they will be giving it away if you buy a lighter.

Tobacco is harder to grow. Some of the tobacco leaves take seven years to cure. A pack of smokes costs pennies without the tax. Pot would be cheaper. Especially if they use the sticks, stems and chaff to make other items like paper or feed.

I would like to see the market define itself, then after things settle in, after that, start the taxing procedure. Taxing before the market is created is leading to a large corrupting black market. The easiest place to find street weed is near the legal stores in Vancouver, Wa.

StellerKeller said:

There are reports of $800/lb. pot in the Denver area.

I think you're right. It isn't that hard to grow. And using factory farm techniques, it will just keep getting cheaper. Some have predicted they will be giving it away if you buy a lighter.

Tobacco is harder to grow. Some of the tobacco leaves take seven years to cure. A pack of smokes costs pennies without the tax. Pot would be cheaper. Especially if they use the sticks, stems and chaff to make other items like paper or feed.

I would like to see the market define itself, then after things settle in, after that, start the taxing procedure. Taxing before the market is created is leading to a large corrupting black market. The easiest place to find street weed is near the legal stores in Vancouver, Wa.

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A pound here goes for 2500-3500, depending on the source and quality. Schwag is cheaper, if i could even find it haha

A few tribes getting into the MJ biz could move some state legislatures to act even sooner than many expect.

Monsanto is looking to get into the industry.

mollymcgrammar said:

Monsanto is looking to get into the industry.

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Well that thought turns my stomach.

ontario in canada which is the most populated province i believe have very lenient laws on growing weed, i believe you can grow a maxinum of 4 weed plants but you got qualify for it which is easy (not medically) but you can apply to grow it for medical reasons though

Monsanto has a patent for a genetically modified strain

PA should just forget the Med side, and just go full Rec bill, right out of the gate. Even go a step further, and pull tobacco sales from ALL stores in PA, and make it the healthiest state of all. If this doesnt happen soon, Im moving. Its good the thing the original proposal failed. Wolf needs to stomp hard and fast, and just get it going, done and over with, all in one swop. People of PA need to get up and make some noise. January 20th, its a new ball game.