cannabis & hops

pedrovski

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what do you guys think about the strains on http://kalyseeds.eu/index.php/de/samen-kaufen/kaly-shop that are bred using a japanese hop in its genetics to get a different leaf patern than the normal fan leaves. I was thinking of getting some of the seeds of a strain they have called ortiga and crossing it with some of the strains that i have that are doing well outdoors in the uk this year would be benificial to have a strain that had leaves like this if trying to keep hidden
 

bf80255

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total bullshit.
humulus japonicus doesnt even belong to the sane genus as cannabis (only cannabis does) so any crossing of the 2 is pretty much impossible short of genetic manipulation in a lab, and look at those leaves clearly selective breeding towards sinvle blade mutation or just a single mutant pic and third what good do those leaves do for stealth if a big fat stinky cola of weed is growing in the center of them?
 

Sativied

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I agree with Mag about those seeds, smells like a pile of bullshit.

However, it is possible to cross hop with cannabis using a combination of grafting and tissue culture, which is an asexual method of crossing two different yet similar species (they are both of the same family: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabaceae ). It's something one could do with a very limited lab (mainly the TC setup) and wouldn't surprise me if someone has or will do it sooner or later. Read my posts here for more info: https://www.rollitup.org/t/grafting-different-strains-to-a-mother-plant.839735/page-2
 

bf80255

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I agree with Mag about those seeds, smells like a pile of bullshit.

However, it is possible to cross hop with cannabis using a combination of grafting and tissue culture, which is an asexual method of crossing two different yet similar species (they are both of the same family: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabaceae ). It's something one could do with a very limited lab (mainly the TC setup) and wouldn't surprise me if someone has or will do it sooner or later. Read my posts here for more info: https://www.rollitup.org/t/grafting-different-strains-to-a-mother-plant.839735/page-2
you sure about that? i did a lot of research a few months back on crossing the 2 but i found it was not possible and was even backed up by sam skunkman himself he said he spent years trying to do just this and failed, and i seriously doubt anyone in the entire cannabis community has better access to legit facilities, lab eqipment and the knowlege necessary to pull it off. plus whats the benefit?
 

Sativied

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you sure about that?
If you read the thread I linked to, including all the scientific research, you can guess my answer to that :) Doesn't make cannahop a fact until it's actually done of course. For all I know there's another reason it may fail, but there is a viable technique to do it which is as likely to work as GMO. Instead of using artificial means to inject foreign dna, tissue from the contact zone of the grafted plant is extracted as that, opposed to popular believe, does contain mixed/crossed DNA. That is grown using tissue culture, and then 'some' of the plantlets can be a mix (there's a luck factor as usual, which given plenty of time and space can be mitigated). The technique is already used, it's a legit breeding technique, just not (yet or not yet successfully) for cannabis.

I assume Sam hasn't tried it using the method I described but I could obviously be wrong about that, although it's not entirely new, it just recently got more attention:

http://news.bioscholar.com/2014/06/plants-produce-species-sex.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed:+latestbionews+(Biology+News,+Latest+Health+News,+Biology+Articles+and+Headlines)
 

GrowinDad

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Grafting is very common in coffee. Arabica tops are grafted to robusta stems/roots. It gives the plants the durability of robusta with the flavor of arabica. i have seen it done and it looked similar to cloning, only taping the clone to the robusta. Have no idea if the same would work for cannabis.
 

bf80255

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Grafting is very common in coffee. Arabica tops are grafted to robusta stems/roots. It gives the plants the durability of robusta with the flavor of arabica. i have seen it done and it looked similar to cloning, only taping the clone to the robusta. Have no idea if the same would work for cannabis.
yes grafting works but the question is will the scion (cannabis) grafted onto a hops plant produce viable hybrid seeds and as far as i can tell the answer is no but ive never done it and dont know anyone who has so thats 100% speculation on my part
 
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