Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

hyroot · Aug 25, 2014

Pattahabi said:
^^^^ For sure SST's are going to contain chitinase. Now how much is needed to actually do something to the shell of a bug is another story. I also wonder what high dosages would do to the beneficial population? Would using SST water with spinosad really kick the crap out of bugs? Seems like layering small doses of things like this is the best way to keep the plant happy, and keep the pests away.

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those store bought spinosad sprays never worked for me. The enzyme bottles said on them, basically the enzymes eat away at the exoskeleton and disrupt the digestive process. With sst I use mung beans like headtreep does. I get them for $1 a pound. Unhulled barley seed is still hard to find.

Pattahabi · Aug 25, 2014

hyroot said:
those store bought spinosad sprays never worked for me. The enzyme bottles said on them, basically the enzymes eat away at the exoskeleton and disrupt the digestive process. With sst I use mung beans like headtreep does. I get them for $1 a pound. Unhulled barley seed is still hard to find.

I've used the monterrey brand spinosad to kick the hell out of thrips. The description of the enzymes sounds exactly what I would expect from chitinase. I'll have to see if I can't dig up some info on the dosages. Do you know the names of any of the products? That might be a start to figuring out exactly what is in them if possible.

Do you have a natural grocers near you? I use wheat, corn, mung, alfalfa, sunflower, etc, etc.

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SpaaaceCowboy · Aug 26, 2014

SpaaaceCowboy said:
Ok guys...Well I've researched and researched so much that my gf thinks I'm nutzzz for spending so much time on the weed forums, lmao....

Anyways, this is what I've come up with for a soil...Unsure of how much for each amendment though.

From what I gather diversity among your ingredients is a good thing....So this is what I got...

Canadian Sphagnum Peat Moss
Combo of WC and some kind of compost TBD
Perlite (I already have it)
Combo of Dolomite Lime and Oyster Shell
Alfalfa Meal
Neem Meal
Kelp Meal
Crab Meal
Epsoma Tomato Tone
Rock Dust
BioAG Ful-Humix

Was unsure about if I should add Gypsum or not ?
As well as Mychorrizae ?

Thoughts on this mix ? Of course I would let it cook for like 2 or 3 months...I am assuming that would be long enough ?

st0wandgrow said:
That's a good lookin list of ingredients right there. A safe bet for how much to use is apx 2 cups per cf of your meals (which includes the tomato tone) and 3-4 cups per cf for the mineral mix (rock dusts, oyster shell flour, dolo lime, etc). If you're amending say 4 cf of base, I would use 12 cups of rock dusts, 3 cups of oyster shell flour, and 1 cup of dolo lime. Then add 1.5 cups of kelp meal, alfalfa meal, crab shell meal, neem meal, and tomato tone. Wet that down with a compost tea and let 'er sit for a few weeks

I was told to leave out the alfalfa meal, and to feed with alfalfa meal when need be...

What do you guys think on this strategy ? And, I think I am going to replace the dolomite lime with gypsum...Is Empsoma Gypsum ok ?

reasonevangelist · Aug 26, 2014

SpaaaceCowboy said:
I was told to leave out the alfalfa meal, and to feed with alfalfa meal when need be...

What do you guys think on this strategy ? And, I think I am going to replace the dolomite lime with gypsum...Is Empsoma Gypsum ok ?

Sounds good to me. ^^

I haven't seen anything negative about Espoma brand organics... i actually have access to some garden tone(? 3-4-4 ?), and was wondering whether i should just use it, or skip it and get my preferred ingredients/amendments (alf, kelp, castings, aloe/coco, seeds for sprout tea...).

Pattahabi · Aug 26, 2014

@SpaaaceCowboy, If I'm not mistaken, the epsoma gypsum is pelletized. It could still work, but may take a fair while to be available to the plants. I have heard of people using coffee grinders to break it up more, but I have not tried this personally.

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cannakis · Aug 27, 2014

Pattahabi said:
Yo, Foreverfly, I have been thinking a lot lately about what the terpenes of hops would be like grown in ROLS. It's been forever and a day since I brewed any beer. Have you done any comparisons of hops grown different ways?

Many thanks!
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i heard from a guy that he used to Graft cannabis onto a hops rhizome, he saide it makes Amazing bud! would be interesting to try.

foreverflyhi · Aug 27, 2014

cannakis said:
i heard from a guy that he used to Graft cannabis onto a hops rhizome, he saide it makes Amazing bud! would be interesting to try.

Think that might be impossible, ive seen one or two threads pop up on caannabis and grafting, all failed.

Would be nice to see pics or how your friend did it.

cannakis · Aug 27, 2014

foreverflyhi said:
Think that might be impossible, ive seen one or two threads pop up on caannabis and grafting, all failed.

Would be nice to see pics or how your friend did it.

yeah i know but that was decades ago no longer in the game

Mohican · Aug 27, 2014

I had some bud back in the 80s that had great bag appeal and smell, but it had zero high. I think it was a hops cross.

Bueno Time · Aug 29, 2014

Hey guys I have a question for people who recycle their mix.

I went with the ~2 cups amendments and ~4 cups mineral mix per cu ft of used FFOF and was wondering how much you would re-amend with after each run of say maybe 3 weeks veg and 10 weeks flower.

Would you add back like half the amount of each or more nutrient amendments and less mineral mix?

In my head it seems like maybe the mineral mix would take longer to deplete than the nutrient amendments (kelp, neem/karanja, crustacean meal, etc which seem like they would be used up faster possibly.

Also how much EWC do you add to the mix when you re-amend it again? Do you use a lot again like with the fresh mix or maybe half or so?

CannaBare · Aug 30, 2014

https://www.rollitup.org/t/help-me-build-a-water-only-soil.786688/
From the very bottom of the last post by Rising Moon.

When I add my food and minerals back to the soil I like to mix it with the EWC and top dress with that. I use all I made, can't overdo EWC.

Re-amend @
(1/8 cup, of each from the "food mix", and 1/2 cup glacial rock dust, or "mineral mix")

Pattahabi · Aug 30, 2014

CannaBare said:
https://www.rollitup.org/t/help-me-build-a-water-only-soil.786688/
From the very bottom of the last post by Rising Moon.

When I add my food and minerals back to the soil I like to mix it with the EWC and top dress with that. I use all I made, can't overdo EWC.

Re-amend @
(1/8 cup, of each from the "food mix", and 1/2 cup glacial rock dust, or "mineral mix")

Rising Moon knows his stuff. This is almost exactly what I just added to my reamend about 4 days ago.

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Pattahabi · Aug 30, 2014

Making keif pucks today!

I love my Piecemaker!

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ColoradoGrowin · Aug 30, 2014

cannakis said:
holy shit! are you serious thats all you used to feed them?

Yeah man! I ended up with right around 70 grams off one plant and a 600w. The best tasting flower I've ever grown for sure.

Edit

Knowing what I am using right now, what would you guys say I need most for next round?

hyroot · Aug 30, 2014

Pattahabi said:
Making keif pucks today!

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I love my Piecemaker!

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nerd

Pattahabi · Aug 30, 2014

hyroot said:
nerd

I love cannabis, what can I say?! :weed:

Blood Orange just transplanted into a 20 gallon pot. Still needs a top dress. She's going to get a center spot in the upcoming run cause I love the smoke so much. Hats off to Bodhi.

Peace!
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hyroot · Aug 31, 2014

Pattahabi said:
I love cannabis, what can I say?!

Blood Orange just transplanted into a 20 gallon pot. Still needs a top dress. She's going to get a center spot in the upcoming run cause I love the smoke so much. Hats off to Bodhi.

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Peace!
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I used to do that with old school silver dollars or 50 cent pieces. Id love to grow some blood orange. But i dont order seeds. Bodhi doesn't go to cups or other mmj festivals.

Pattahabi · Aug 31, 2014

hyroot said:
I used to do that with old school silver dollars or 50 cent pieces. Id love to grow some blood orange. But i dont order seeds. Bodhi doesn't go to cups or other mmj festivals.

I was thinking his gear was available at some dispensaries in Cali, but I could be mistaken about that. In CO you can find some local breeders stuff at the dispensaries also. I think Swami is offered in WA. There are some choices around other then ordering.

And of course if you are going to be in CO, lmk and I'll get you a cut.

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Ace Yonder · Aug 31, 2014

Pattahabi said:
I was thinking his gear was available at some dispensaries in Cali, but I could be mistaken about that. In CO you can find some local breeders stuff at the dispensaries also. I think Swami is offered in WA. There are some choices around other then ordering.

And of course if you are going to be in CO, lmk and I'll get you a cut.

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I can confirm that both Bodhi and Swami beans are available via dispensary in Cali (Bodhi more widely so, Swami only at one local dispensary)

Ace Yonder · Aug 31, 2014

foreverflyhi said:
Think that might be impossible, ive seen one or two threads pop up on caannabis and grafting, all failed.

Would be nice to see pics or how your friend did it.

I would love for this video to be legit... more than anything I would

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