Mechanization and the Future
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It could only be avoided by a well educated citizenry advocating peace and understanding, so pretty much not gonna happen for a few more millennia or, at least until we start to understand how the world and the people in it actually works, not how we are told it works.
heckler73
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What do you suppose the predation rate upon human labour is from Capital?
How many jobs were created with the introduction of Welding Robots?
How many were created with the introduction of CAD and higher engineering software?
How many were created by beam lines, CNC plate cutters, punches and mills?
What took a room full of engineers and draftsmen is reduced to a Polish engineer using a (not so) cheap version of Tekla Structures, transforming 50 pages of structural and architectural drawings into a neatly nested cut-list (suitable for CNC input) and a pile of part drawings (plus a 3D fly-through in real-time with stress calculations).
Five or six people can then take those drawings and make it real, with the aid of cranes, front loaders, etc.
India meanwhile churns out more engineers than people graduating from American colleges as a whole.
The white collars aren't immune from the ravages of technological usurpation!
Traders on Wall St. are an endangered species.
Do all these people suddenly find work in higher realms of the income strata?
Microsoft is laying people off... Even those who program our obsolescence are eating themselves.
Maybe I should start getting some signs ready for when I'm in the street trying to market myself:
BUY A HANDJOB, GET FREE ROCKET-ENGINEERING
only $20 a pop.
only $20 a pop.
Nutes and Nugs
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Doer
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I thought you were smarter than this.
What do you suppose the predation rate upon human labour is from Capital?
How many jobs were created with the introduction of Welding Robots?
How many were created with the introduction of CAD and higher engineering software?
How many were created by beam lines, CNC plate cutters, punches and mills?
What took a room full of engineers and draftsmen is reduced to a Polish engineer using a (not so) cheap version of Tekla Structures, transforming 50 pages of structural and architectural drawings into a neatly nested cut-list (suitable for CNC input) and a pile of part drawings (plus a 3D fly-through in real-time with stress calculations).
Five or six people can then take those drawings and make it real, with the aid of cranes, front loaders, etc.
India meanwhile churns out more engineers than people graduating from American colleges as a whole.
The white collars aren't immune from the ravages of technological usurpation!
Traders on Wall St. are an endangered species.
Do all these people suddenly find work in higher realms of the income strata?
Microsoft is laying people off... Even those who program our obsolescence are eating themselves.
Maybe I should start getting some signs ready for when I'm in the street trying to market myself:
BUY A HANDJOB, GET FREE ROCKET-ENGINEERING
only $20 a pop.
Doer
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Read up on shifts in labor demand?
http://www.albany.edu/~aj4575/LectureNotes/Lecture34.pdf
Robotics are but on a small factor in this equation. We are moving outward in our orbit for the next 10K years. It will be colder and we will not keep this world population level. And climate is not the only reason we predict the population may crash. Robotics will aid in less birth rate in the industrialized Countries.
The Robots will protect us from the Terrible Secret of Space. If we don't get the DNA off this dung hill, it won't matter.
And we cannot do that without Robots.
http://www.albany.edu/~aj4575/LectureNotes/Lecture34.pdf
Robotics are but on a small factor in this equation. We are moving outward in our orbit for the next 10K years. It will be colder and we will not keep this world population level. And climate is not the only reason we predict the population may crash. Robotics will aid in less birth rate in the industrialized Countries.
The Robots will protect us from the Terrible Secret of Space. If we don't get the DNA off this dung hill, it won't matter.
And we cannot do that without Robots.
ttystikk
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Spoken like someone who doesn't know shit about artificial intelligence; they're already selling robot maids that do multiple tasks from personal device to housework.
ttystikk
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Many times, ethics IS a cost/benefit analysis. I'd trust a robot's a lot more than a rural county cop with a chip on his shoulder.
ttystikk
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You're nothing more than a modern version of the steam engine operator. My bestie is a water jet whiz- and MOST of his job is programming.
When the machine runs, you stay the Fuck outta the way!
Doer
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Unless the 'bot was 'grammed to be a rural country cop with a chip on it's shoulder.
Garbage in? Garbage out. GIGO
ChesusRice
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I start CAM training next week. Machining has only become shittier with technological advances. And it Is paying less and less
What do you suppose the predation rate upon human labour is from Capital?
How many jobs were created with the introduction of Welding Robots?
How many were created with the introduction of CAD and higher engineering software?
How many were created by beam lines, CNC plate cutters, punches and mills?
What took a room full of engineers and draftsmen is reduced to a Polish engineer using a (not so) cheap version of Tekla Structures, transforming 50 pages of structural and architectural drawings into a neatly nested cut-list (suitable for CNC input) and a pile of part drawings (plus a 3D fly-through in real-time with stress calculations).
Five or six people can then take those drawings and make it real, with the aid of cranes, front loaders, etc.
India meanwhile churns out more engineers than people graduating from American colleges as a whole.
The white collars aren't immune from the ravages of technological usurpation!
Traders on Wall St. are an endangered species.
Do all these people suddenly find work in higher realms of the income strata?
Microsoft is laying people off... Even those who program our obsolescence are eating themselves.
Maybe I should start getting some signs ready for when I'm in the street trying to market myself:
BUY A HANDJOB, GET FREE ROCKET-ENGINEERING
only $20 a pop.
ttystikk
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And this will continue until its ultimate, logical conclusion; you've been replaced by an even better machine.
ttystikk
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Even that would only slow it down, temporarily.
ttystikk
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Dr Jared Diamond has a rather pessimistic view of how this will play out in the future. 'Collapse' is his answer to what happens after his 'Guns, Germs & Steel'.
It may be that total mechanization is the only hope for humankind going forward. Such automation, mechanization and control is already on display in nearly every aspect of space exploration and exploitation. It is there where humans will find resources once we've used up all we can reach here on Earth. Or, we perish.
heckler73
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Probably heading towards a situation where there is one price for all trades.
ChesusRice
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The pool of intelligent,experienced guys like me has exceeded the demands of the trade. When supply exceeds demand what happens to price?