Al-Qaeda: ISIS Are Extremists

schuylaar

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you know it's bad when terrorist terrorize other terrorists..what now, stoners?


The rise of ISIS presents the gravest threat to United States national security since 9/11. Although disavowed by Al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri as too extreme, ISIS shares the same agenda: the establishment of a twisted version of the Prophet Muhammad’s Islamic caliphate in the heart of the Middle East. That ISIS is a mortal enemy of ours is beyond question after the vicious murder of journalist James Foley.
But ISIS has a much broader agenda. In spite of some setbacks in northern Iraq, thanks in large part to U.S. airstrikes, they continue to make gains. In the region, Saudi Arabia and Jordan are at risk. The Saudis know it; that is why they have mobilized troops near their border with Iraq. There is nothing between ISIS and them except sand.
We too are at risk. This Al Qaeda mutant is far better armed, equipped and financed than the original. Unlike any variant of Al Qaeda since 9/11, it controls significant territory where, secure from attack, it has the space and time to plan its next set of operations. Anyone who believes the U.S. is not on that list is delusional.
So this is not just about protecting refugees or helping allies in Iraq secure limited objectives. This is war. The Obama administration has said our aim is to disrupt, degrade and defeat Al Qaeda. This is Al Qaeda Version 6.0. A sustained, focused air campaign supplemented by a significant number of Special Forces advisers, and including help from Iraqi tribes, can make a difference. But we cannot limit ourselves to Iraq. The Islamic State in Iraq and Syria has declared the Iraq-Syria border nonexistent – the caliphate cannot be divided. We should carry our air campaign to targets in Syria. This is a unified enemy and must be met by a unified strategy.

What this does not mean is any form of coordination, let alone an alliance, with the brutal regime of Bashar al-Assad. We need to fight an enemy of the United States, not involve ourselves in the Syrian civil war. But it might be that the systematic degradation of ISIS will allow the secular opposition to gain some momentum. After all, these terrorists probably have done more damage to them than to Assad.
But we need to move forcefully and quickly. As Senator Diane Feinstein rightly said, using an alternative name for ISIS, “It takes an army to defeat an army… we either confront ISIL now or we will be forced to deal with an even stronger enemy in the future.” And it may be on American soil.
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2014/08/22/should-the-us-work-with-assad-to-fight-isis/airstrikes-on-isis-should-expand-to-syria
 
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earnest_voice

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http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2014/08/22/should-the-us-work-with-assad-to-fight-isis/airstrikes-on-isis-should-expand-to-syria

^Please attribute your copy and pastes^

Does it make you suspicious ISIS' alleged leader, Al-Baghdadi only has two known pictures in the public sphere?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/12/baghdadi-abu-bakr-iraq-isis-mosul-jihad

Officials the world over are calling this guy usama bin laden v2, contrary to UBLs very public statements this guy hasn't said shit.

Described by some as "the new Osama bin Laden", he has a $10m US bounty on his head, only two pictures of him are known to exist and, contrary to his nom de guerre, he was born not in Baghdad but 78 miles north, in the city of Samarra.

Baghdadi is said to keep a low profile even among his own armed supporters, who amount to an estimated 7,000 fighters. He is not one for video-taped pronouncements; some reports claim – perhaps fancifully – that he wears a mask when addressing his commanders, earning him the nickname "the invisible sheikh".

What is known about Baghdadi – whose aliases, according to US intelligence, include Abu Dua and Dr Ibrahim Awwad Ibrahim Ali al-Badri al-Samarrai – comes largely from jihadi websites describing his career and accomplishments or his own statements.
The text in red is particularly relevant as the propaganda put out by these jihadists is something that would make kim jong ill proud.

Would you support another war in Iraq encompassing Syria? If that happens what do you think will become of Afghanistan?
 

schuylaar

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http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2014/08/22/should-the-us-work-with-assad-to-fight-isis/airstrikes-on-isis-should-expand-to-syria

^Please attribute your copy and pastes^

Does it make you suspicious ISIS' alleged leader, Al-Baghdadi only has two known pictures in the public sphere?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/12/baghdadi-abu-bakr-iraq-isis-mosul-jihad

Officials the world over are calling this guy usama bin laden v2, contrary to UBLs very public statements this guy hasn't said shit.



The text in red is particularly relevant as the propaganda put out by these jihadists is something that would make kim jong ill proud.

Would you support another war in Iraq encompassing Syria? If that happens what do you think will become of Afghanistan?
yes it does make me suspicious there are only 2 pics..what are your thoughts?
 

earnest_voice

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yes it does make me suspicious there are only 2 pics..what are your thoughts?
I'm suspicious about him myself considering, Bin Laden posed a threat for years and wasn't a name that just popped up, he was well known. This new guy who they are making all the comparisons too kinda just popped up outta no where.

His background isn't well know and information isn't forthcoming about an individual who poses a "clear and present danger" (love when they say the movie title in the movie) to the western world. I would also question where this new guy originally established his networks, links and followers?

UBL made his name by attaching himself to militant Egyptians, without whom he would never have gained the "jihadi cred" (comparable to criminal street credit) while fighting in afghanistan against the soviets.

When you consider that the foley video was most probably fake & Al-Baghdadi doesn't really have a background or history it's probably the most solid case of being drawn into a war based on trumped up accusations and terrorist threats to the homeland.
 

NoDrama

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AQ and ISIS are both US funded, trained and assisted terror squads that make it appear so terrible that only the "one and only indispensable nation" can go save whatever resource rich country all of a sudden has problems. It is the hegelian dialectic, keep the population in a constant state of fear and in a circular path of rabid constant evolving enemy that must be destroyed, only to rise from the ashes like a phoenix into a more formidable enemy that once again must be defeated.

I myself am getting really tired of the constant fear mongering about a Muslim bogeyman intent on killing us all because of our freedom.

They want to kill us because we have been killing them, removing elected officials to replace with our own and stealing their resources for our own profit. We have been doing this for 60 years. The US DOES NOT care about the people's situation, the military is the bully arm of the big corporations, the big corporations are all about money and power. Keeping you addicted to fossil fuels is their main goal until the fuel runs out and they can find another limited supply of energy to sell you. The US dollar is the central crux by which they finance their deals and steal yours.
 

earnest_voice

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I dunno, 'Iraq has huge amounts of WMD's' was a good one.
I totally agree, but the Foley "beheading" I think was even better, but not as subtle.

I was wondering why it was so well edited and packaged for the media - no translation required.

I'm starting to think Obama's announcement of additional signals intelligence collection in Iraq and Syria is a euphemism for battlefield preparation as the SF "advisory" component is already in place.
 

NoDrama

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I totally agree, but the Foley "beheading" I think was even better, but not as subtle.

I was wondering why it was so well edited and packaged for the media - no translation required.

I'm starting to think Obama's announcement of additional signals intelligence collection in Iraq and Syria is a euphemism for battlefield preparation as the SF "advisory" component is already in place.
Yeah the Foley video, when the British citizen cuts his throat with a knife? Amazingly , no blood. Also, why do we need to bomb Syria if the British are to blame?
 

earnest_voice

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Yeah the Foley video, when the British citizen cuts his throat with a knife? Amazingly , no blood. Also, why do we need to bomb Syria if the British are to blame?
Keeping with tradition.

Saudis attack on 9/11, invade Afghanistan and Iraq.

I've stopped wondering why these leaders don't use common sense, but then i forget they're just going with the script.

 

NoDrama

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Gotta get that Nat Gas from Saudi Arabia to Europe so that Russia no longer controls the lynch pin of whether or not Europe freezes every winter. Gotta have Syria to do that.

This shit is really just starting, how many people understand that this could very well be the war that ends civilization world wide? The oceans are already dying, might as well get the land too, not much us humans can't fuck up.
 

UncleBuck

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http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2014/08/22/should-the-us-work-with-assad-to-fight-isis/airstrikes-on-isis-should-expand-to-syria

^Please attribute your copy and pastes^

Does it make you suspicious ISIS' alleged leader, Al-Baghdadi only has two known pictures in the public sphere?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/12/baghdadi-abu-bakr-iraq-isis-mosul-jihad

Officials the world over are calling this guy usama bin laden v2, contrary to UBLs very public statements this guy hasn't said shit.



The text in red is particularly relevant as the propaganda put out by these jihadists is something that would make kim jong ill proud.

Would you support another war in Iraq encompassing Syria? If that happens what do you think will become of Afghanistan?
@GreatwhiteNorth might want to take note of the startling similarities in posting style here.
 

earnest_voice

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Buck you ratting again?

Isn't funny RIU edited my sig but not yours... Yeah not too much bias around this place...

Really does add credence to users claims you handed over members info to law enforcement.
 

earnest_voice

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Gotta spread the word about "the cause"...

Did you hear about the new nail polish that can detect date rape drugs?

Gonna put a dent in your extra curricular activities...

"With our nail polish, any woman will be empowered to discreetly ensure her safety by simply stirring her drink with her finger. If her nail polish changes colour, she'll know that something is wrong."
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/anti-date-rape-undercover-nail-polish-changes-colour-when-drinks-are-spiked-rohypnol-gbh-1462600

I love innovative products that put a stop to people like you.
 

NoDrama

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Buck you ratting again?

Isn't funny RIU edited my sig but not yours... Yeah not too much bias around this place...

Really does add credence to users claims you handed over members info to law enforcement.
Yeah,I think some liberal snivelers got hurt and went and complained that people had cooler signatures than their own. You can't complain of bias though, Buck never breaks the rules.
 

ChesusRice

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Gotta get that Nat Gas from Saudi Arabia to Europe so that Russia no longer controls the lynch pin of whether or not Europe freezes every winter. Gotta have Syria to do that.

This shit is really just starting, how many people understand that this could very well be the war that ends civilization world wide? The oceans are already dying, might as well get the land too, not much us humans can't fuck up.
So they cant go thru Iraq and into Turkey?
Is Syria still Irans gateway to the sea?
 
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