Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

RedCarpetMatches

RedCarpetMatches

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PSUAGRO. said:
Who the f@ck has the time to char their own shit??.............so all natural briquettes are out(trader joe's brand)??
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I spend a lot of time on my Weber anyway. You can use that Cowboy hardwood brand. If you don't have time to make, you can order from KIS and Black Owl.
 
foreverflyhi

foreverflyhi

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Local bio char is 5$ a pound over here!! Mad fking expensive.

Check what i found, 2 for 1$




Experimented with it on my yoda clones, half responded with praying leaves almost instantly with this stuff, the other took what they normally would with reg water. So i geuss it works well!
 
PSUAGRO.

PSUAGRO.

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Great, something else you Cali boys can rub in our face! ;-)....................how much sugar??

Yeah premade biochar is pricey, I was looking at BAS's stuff, even offer it pre-charged with chicken manure $25 for 10 pounds, not bad.
 
DANKSWAG

DANKSWAG

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PSUAGRO. said:
Great, something else you Cali boys can rub in our face! ;-)....................how much sugar??

Yeah premade biochar is pricey, I was looking at BAS's stuff, even offer it pre-charged with chicken manure $25 for 10 pounds, not bad.
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Exactly why I started my own Organic Farm business, you should see what the going price of worm composting castings are :bigjoint:

DankSwag
 
DANKSWAG

DANKSWAG

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I will have tons of char soon, I am building 3 retort systems to produce it. Nothing but virgin slash (Alder) to make tons of it cheap in my neck of the woods.
So there will be a supply for those in the know where to go, YO! :weed:

DankSwag:bigjoint:
 
DANKSWAG

DANKSWAG

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RedCarpetMatches said:
You can also char pine needles.

It's dandelion season! Worm bin looking dandy.
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I've been looking at some cool new weeders to use to collect mine, letting them mature and trying to get them before they seed.
Even if I irradicate all my weeds before seeding happens it won't matter neighbors have plenty that will blow into the yard for next spring.

This one looks very handy and practical




I also like the traditional Japanese Hori Hori tool as well






No one has really answered my question on effectiveness of bio activators letting them break down in aerated water verses a anaerobic environment where decomposition happens and produces a foul smell from the higher levels of anaerobic bacteria that are dominating any aerobic bacteria.

I rather not have such foul smelling aromas and possibly kill of my good bacteria in my soils if I don't dilute enough.
Seems to me I can get same benefit of bio activators such as dandelion, nettle and the like if I let them soak and break down in aerated water.

Does anyone know why the recommended method of using bio activators to let to rot and get smelly like that? To me it seems less risky and I have a constant water supply now for days that is a light pea green by only soaking about 4 to 5 stems with about 4 to 6 leaves. I've went through at least 8 gallons of water over the last few days. My girls are loving it praying and all. Nice and green no deficiencies.

DankSwag:weed:
 
ColoradoGrowin

ColoradoGrowin

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Hello!

I've finally finished this gigantic thread! I want to seriously thank all of you for this wealth of knowledge you are passing on! I am starting my first batch of ROLS for my indoor mmj and would love to take these ideas to my veggie garden next summer. I do have a couple questions tho..

I did rrog's mix from page one, almost. I have roughly 9cuft total

1/3 Ewc and compost
1/3 pearlite/lava rock
1/3 peat

Rock dusts is where my questions are. I sourced a lot of this online and it was very difficult to tell if it would be enough before I started mixing. So I ended up a little short on this end.

I did ( total )

6 cups glacial
3 cups bentonite
10 cups azomite

I also have 1/2 cup per cuft of
Neem meal,crab,kelp and gypsum

And 2 cups alfalfa.

I subbed azomite because I had it around! My question is, do you think this mix will be sufficient for the first round? Also, I was curious how the azomite would effect my soil ph.

I haven't planted yet and wanted to make sure I would be good to go before I started! Now that I am learning how to source this stuff locally, I will never order a ton of stuff online again..

Thanks in advance for your input!
 
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legaleyes13

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ColoradoGrowin said:
Hello!

I've finally finished this gigantic thread! I want to seriously thank all of you for this wealth of knowledge you are passing on! I am starting my first batch of ROLS for my indoor mmj and would love to take these ideas to my veggie garden next summer. I do have a couple questions tho..

I did rrog's mix from page one, almost. I have roughly 9cuft total

1/3 Ewc and compost
1/3 pearlite/lava rock
1/3 peat

Rock dusts is where my questions are. I sourced a lot of this online and it was very difficult to tell if it would be enough before I started mixing. So I ended up a little short on this end.

I did ( total )

6 cups glacial
3 cups bentonite
10 cups azomite

I also have 1/2 cup per cuft of
Neem meal,crab,kelp and gypsum

And 2 cups alfalfa.

I subbed azomite because I had it around! My question is, do you think this mix will be sufficient for the first round? Also, I was curious how the azomite would effect my soil ph.

I haven't planted yet and wanted to make sure I would be good to go before I started! Now that I am learning how to source this stuff locally, I will never order a ton of stuff online again..

Thanks in advance for your input!
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Hey man, I'm new to this too, and I have a couple of questions for you, if you don't mind.

I'm assuming you picked up a 3 cuft, block of peat from wherever. I've heard those blocks actually break up to be more than 3 cuft... is that true? And did you have a difficult time mixing all of that soil... I need about 9-10 cuft, so your experience would give me a big heads up. I'm using pretty much the same ingredients plus fish bone meal, fish meal, biochar, and maybe oyster shell powder... no bentonite though?

Thanks in advance.
 
foreverflyhi

foreverflyhi

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From experience azamite will burn your plants, especially if its bot composted long enough.

The few rols batches ive done, only one was some what bad because of theexcessive amount of azamite i put in.

10 cups on 9cf might b a little too much imo. Add compist, compost/cook longer, problem solved
 
ColoradoGrowin

ColoradoGrowin

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foreverflyhi said:
From experience azamite will burn your plants, especially if its bot composted long enough.

The few rols batches ive done, only one was some what bad because of theexcessive amount of azamite i put in.

10 cups on 9cf might b a little too much imo. Add compist, compost/cook longer, problem solved
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Thanks ff. I'll be cooking my soil for a solid four weeks minimum before I plant, should i let it go a couple more weeks to be safe?

Do you think I will have enough minerals from the rock dusts that I have in it? It seemed like I was pretty short, that why I added so much azomite. Will azomite even give me a good source of the minerals I'm missing in my lack of glacial/bentonite?
 
foreverflyhi

foreverflyhi

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Looked over ur recipe, and it looks good, i would look into more rock dust, but no worries if you cant source it, def not the end of the world, nor will it hurt ur soil.

In 4 weeks test try a clone, see how she does for a week, if no weirdness then your are good to go, now until then, coco/aloe/enzyme water for your batch to speed things up
 
ColoradoGrowin

ColoradoGrowin

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legaleyes13 said:
Hey man, I'm new to this too, and I have a couple of questions for you, if you don't mind.

I'm assuming you picked up a 3 cuft, block of peat from wherever. I've heard those blocks actually break up to be more than 3 cuft... is that true? And did you have a difficult time mixing all of that soil... I need about 9-10 cuft, so your experience would give me a big heads up. I'm using pretty much the same ingredients plus fish bone meal, fish meal, biochar, and maybe oyster shell powder... no bentonite though?

Thanks in advance.
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I'm not exactly sure what you're asking me? The peat did break up to be a lot more than 3cuft for sure. It wasn't that hard to mix up tho, just a tarp and some elbow grease :)
Hope this helps!
 
ColoradoGrowin

ColoradoGrowin

Member
foreverflyhi said:
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Looked over ur recipe, and it looks good, i would look into more rock dust, but no worries if you cant source it, def not the end of the world, nor will it hurt ur soil.

In 4 weeks test try a clone, see how she does for a week, if no weirdness then your are good to go, now until then, coco/aloe/enzyme water for your batch to speed things up
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Good to hear. I just wanted to make sure I could wait until I reammend before I added more rock dusts. Thanks again!

Thanks for showing me this thread too. I'm excited to see how my first LOS turns out!
 
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legaleyes13

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ColoradoGrowin said:
I'm not exactly sure what you're asking me? The peat did break up to be a lot more than 3cuft for sure. It wasn't that hard to mix up tho, just a tarp and some elbow grease :)
Hope this helps!
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Yeah, I'm stupid. Didn't mean to put a question mark at the end of that paragraph :smile:

You answered my questions in full. Thanks.
 
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