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~Dankster~420 said:

Exactly Unfortunately I just don't have the room right now. Sure wished I did though. haha. If I did, I would find some room in a corner somewhere 4 sure & run me a monster.. I have so many side projects going on now though, and like said with the opening of the bank and everything it is making it impossible for the time being. Ive always wanted to run a vertical.

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I've found that running vertical has some disadvantages;

1. Takes less time to work with

2. Takes up less space

3. Uses less power

4. Much easier to train and work with throughout bloom

But other than that, it's okay.

See. damn. #1 has me stopped. I LOVE, and say again LOVE working with my ladies.. so that right there doesn't sound appealing to me. Maybe when I am wheelchair bound I will switch to vertical. I know I am going to need it in my older age, cause lord knows I do enough work now as is. lol

ttystikk said:

I've found that running vertical has some disadvantages;

1. Takes less time to work with

2. Takes up less space

3. Uses less power

4. Much easier to train and work with throughout bloom

But other than that, it's okay.

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~Dankster~420 said:

See. damn. #1 has me stopped. I LOVE, and say again LOVE working with my ladies.. so that right there doesn't sound appealing to me. Maybe when I am wheelchair bound I will switch to vertical. I know I am going to need it in my older age, cause lord knows I do enough work now as is. lol

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Yeah, I feel the same way... so I devised a workaround;

Grow MOAR!!!!!

Vertical scrog is a trellis! Jus saying .
The vertical method is very sweet for maxing grow area without a doubt. How does it consume less power though?

Hey everyone! Doing my first SCROG. I wasn't planning on it, then I set up a DTW table. Then I set up a an automated system. Since I won't be hand watering or moving the pIants, I decided to build a screen!

I'm growing a Bubba OG Kush, which isn't typically a huge yeilder so this also went into my decision to SROG.

I'm starting to train my plants and I'm getting a ton of branching, I'm really looking forward to putting the screen on them.

This isn't the most recent pic(they grow so much each day), but here's my set up. The screen is adjustable, so I'll lower it when the time comes-but it's ready to go : )

Looking forward to this one. I'm in 60/40 coco/perlite, automated DTW. Feeding once a day now, plan on increasing to twice a day soon, then multiple times in flower-of course depending on how they respond.

Let me know what you guys think.

OH, and I wanted to ask...

Would it be beneficial to veg with an HPS to encourage stretch for a SCROG? This is something I've been thinking about. I have a 1000w lumatek ballast with an HPS for flower. Right now I'm under a 600w MH. I know the 1000w is more lumens and will definitely speed growth but I don't want super stretchy plants, I want nice bushes with multiple tops/branches going up to my screen(obviously).

I'm considering thowing in the 1000w HPS.

Thoughts?

Squidbilly said:

OH, and I wanted to ask...

Would it be beneficial to veg with an HPS to encourage stretch for a SCROG? This is something I've been thinking about. I have a 1000w lumatek ballast with an HPS for flower. Right now I'm under a 600w MH. I know the 1000w is more lumens and will definitely speed growth but I don't want super stretchy plants, I want nice bushes with multiple tops/branches going up to my screen(obviously).

I'm considering thowing in the 1000w HPS.

Thoughts?

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1000w all fuckin day baby. You'll get way better veg growth, and the transition to flower will be smooth since you wont be shocking them with a major light difference. HPS has more than enough blue for veg, and in my experience it often veg's better plants than MH. Most fluoro/LED blue-white lighting is utilized in veg based on space/heat/power issues/needs otherwise I think everyone would use HPS all the time.

Spend the extra $ on the hort eye, it'll pay for itself.

youknowthekid! said:

Vertical scrog is a trellis! Jus saying .
The vertical method is very sweet for maxing grow area without a doubt. How does it consume less power though?

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First, it gets the bulb out of that silly metal box they want you to house it in. Direct light is ALWAYS better than the reflected variety. In addition, I built my vertical trellis to strictly maintain an exact distance from the centerline of the silo, which of course forces the trellis to be cylindrical in shape. The enforced maintenance of exact distance plus the bare bulb add up to the ability to effectively light a much larger canopy surface area under a given wattage.

hey ppl heres my scrog first attempt at scrog under a 400watt also pretty noob grower think I flowered her a bit early but meh let it go a bit more on my next run

ttystikk said:

First, it gets the bulb out of that silly metal box they want you to house it in. Direct light is ALWAYS better than the reflected variety. In addition, I built my vertical trellis to strictly maintain an exact distance from the centerline of the silo, which of course forces the trellis to be cylindrical in shape. The enforced maintenance of exact distance plus the bare bulb add up to the ability to effectively light a much larger canopy surface area under a given wattage.

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That really is such a cool method and something I intend to try once I have the right space. Do you ever have any issues, like judging when to go 12/12, or anything else? Also, is the trim job pretty much the same?

jzs147 said:

hey ppl heres my scrog first attempt at scrog under a 400watt also pretty noob grower think I flowered her a bit early but meh let it go a bit more on my next run

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Very nice first scrog man. Is that a 3x3 tent with just one plant? What was your light and medium like?

youknowthekid! said:

That really is such a cool method and something I intend to try once I have the right space. Do you ever have any issues, like judging when to go 12/12, or anything else? Also, is the trim job pretty much the same?

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I've been flipping a bit too soon lately, based on ultimate results. Another way to say that is that I'm flipping before the plants are quite big enough to fill in their whole space. This is costing yield.

I'm fixing this by putting the plants onto the Super Silo trellis sooner and letting them veg in position for a week or so until they've acclimated and filled in the space.

I'm also revamping the rest of the veg stages to give plants more light and elbow room, so they'll get larger, grow faster and more vigorously- and carry that vigor into the Super Silo and on through bloom.

Trimming and training are much the same, except that it's important to keep in mind that the outside of the silo should be considered 'down' for purposes of trimming and cleaning up larf. I'm assuming you already weave your growing tips into a canopy to give them a good shot at the light, this is absolutely no different- there is just more square footage to do it with per bulb.

youknowthekid! said:

That really is such a cool method and something I intend to try once I have the right space. Do you ever have any issues, like judging when to go 12/12, or anything else? Also, is the trim job pretty much the same?



Very nice first scrog man. Is that a 3x3 tent with just one plant? What was your light and medium like?

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Hey man it's an 800mm by 800mm tent with one plant im using a waterfarm also love that thing easy as to use

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I'm fixing this by putting the plants onto the Super Silo trellis sooner and letting them veg in position for a week or so until they've acclimated and filled in the space.

I'm also revamping the rest of the veg stages to give plants more light and elbow room, so they'll get larger, grow faster and more vigorously- and carry that vigor into the Super Silo and on through bloom.

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I like the name Super Silo Some of the best growers underestimate veg man! The best girls I've got were under a quantum 8 fluoro because they were so bushy after 4 weeks veg, early in flower I could tame them perfectly. I think that week of veg in the flower zone is a huge help for you and anyone else. Keep meaning to ask folks how much a declining daylight-time trend might help too (20-18-16-14-12).

hey guys this is my first scrog had to post a new thread coz on this shit phone i had it wouldnt let me upload pics to here so heres the link if u would like to check it out http://rollitup.org/t/first-sscrog-600w-berry-bomb.825029/#post-10425424

Hello Enter the Scrog

Firstly, thanks for all the past info on the thread. It has been very helpful.

I have been working on my system for a couple of years now, and would value any input you have. Details as follows:

I have 8 plants @ day 21 of flower. The strain is Afgooey (afghan x maui haze).

They are potted in Jacks Magic compost, and are being fed every two weeks with Miracle Gro 24-8-16.

Temperature can be a problem in the summer, but is currently about 65 with the light on and 55 with the light off.

The light is a 600w hps in a cooltube. It is about 12" off the canopy at the closest point, but can be as close as 6" by the end of the cycle. I think this is my biggest issue. The ceiling of the space is only four feet high.

I have tried to control the heat in the space by using a 6" exhaust fan, two small fans blowing across the room, and one larger fan blowing downwards.

I always seem to have a number of leaves clawing - suspect it may be a heat / air movement issue. Any thoughts?

Thanks

Quick update, my screen is down and I'm really excited for it to start filling up! This is my first automated DTW table, as soon as I set it up and realized I didn't have to move my plants I couldn't help but build a screen from materials around my house. Probably another couple weeks of veg before I throw in the 1000w hps and flip them to 12/12.

so i was wondering, do you only tuck the limbs back under the screen from under, or can you also tuck them OVER the screen, know what I mean? by folding the branch over a wire and then tucking the top under another wire? i thought this might be a good way to get the bud shoot locations exposed.

First SCROG. 400w hps. 3' x 3'. 3 days in 12/12.







What do you think, should I tuck?

I think it's preference. This is my first scrog grow. I've been told(if you have a hard screen you plant to reuse)to keep it under the screen or on top of the screen and tied down to it, rather then weave it through. That way at harvest it's easy to remove everything and you don't have buds growing through your screen.

As long as you keep everything even with the top of the screen the shoots will reach up and find light. I'm kinda at the fun part, everyday I get to stick a bunch of new growth back under the screen.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but you should tuck everything. When something pops up, you tuck it in an empty space of your screen and try to fill the screen evenly.

Have you tucked anything yet? Or did you just throw a screen ontop of your girls before you switched to 12/12? I'm curious, this is my first scrog and I thought the plan was to train your girls in veg to fill the screen, then flip?