Midwest 2009 Outdoor Grow-Operation Plans

Where are the outdoor growers here on RIU?

Originally Posted by whiterain

Where are the outdoor growers here on RIU?

i can answer your first two:
Yes fox farm is defiantly suitable
and i would do something more than coyote piss... its not worth the risk

whiterain, just a quick question so we know where to start - is this your first big grow?

As for the questions, I don't know about #1. I just use the soil in my grow sites.

#2, no way is coyote urine going to keep deer away. wolf urine, maybe, but coyote urine is unlikely to impress a hungry deer. Coyote urine is for rabbits, and I even question the usefulness of that. I'd suggest doing a forum search using the search tag "deer". You can spend a week just studying the threads that have been done on that subject.

#3, again - just do a search. It really varies a lot. Different insects respond to different treatments, and the products I use depend on what bug happens to be infesting my plants.

#4, no - probably not. Not if you have them spread out as much as you seem to be planning to do. It's when you harvest them, and have them all in one spot, that the smell will be a problem. And believe me, with that many plants, smell will be a problem.

#5 - it really depends on the jurisdiction. There is no definite answer. On the one hand, generally speaking cops don't bother messing with 3 or 4 plants out in the woods, because they've just got too many other cop-things to do. But on the other hand.... you never know. There are no certainties, only likelihoods. The likelihood is they won't mess with you, but if by some chance they spot several of your sites in the same area, and start to suspect that maybe it's the same guy, well... suddenly it starts to look like a more attractive target.

#6 - it's hard to give details without knowing more about the area you're growing in, but what I generally do is go in on foot during the daytime, cut 'em and trim 'em in the woods, put the branches in garbage bags, walk them or boat them out somewhere close to a road or parking lot late in the afternoon, and come back after dark. Depending on the grow site.

One other thing - why so many strains? If this is your first big grow, I'd really recommend against it. Pick one, maybe two, and keep it simple. Each strain will behave differently, grow at different rates, mature at different times, look different, maybe have different water requirements and temperature tolerances, you name it. All your plants will look different from one another, and if you're an inexperienced grower, you'll have a much harder time figuring out if that's because there's something wrong with some of them or if it's just because, well... they look and act differently.

maybe cougar urine would work

Originally Posted by MediMaryUser

maybe cougar urine would work

Good point, and I've heard that it does. But I don't know if anything really works every time. You just have to accept that over the course of a season, you're going to lose some to the critters. I don't have much trouble with it, because I picked a site where there really aren't many deer or rabbits. Too rugged and hard for them to get around in.

Originally Posted by thereallmikejones

i can answer your first two:
Yes fox farm is defiantly suitable
and i would do something more than coyote piss... its not worth the risk

Sounds good I think I'm going to go with Fox Farm! Also, you recommend doing more than coyote piss...what do you recommend? Deer are going to be a potential problem as there are at least 6 deer that go through the area daily.

Originally Posted by Skunk Baxter

whiterain, just a quick question so we know where to start - is this your first big grow?

As for the questions, I don't know about #1. I just use the soil in my grow sites.

#2, no way is coyote urine going to keep deer away. wolf urine, maybe, but coyote urine is unlikely to impress a hungry deer. Coyote urine is for rabbits, and I even question the usefulness of that. I'd suggest doing a forum search using the search tag "deer". You can spend a week just studying the threads that have been done on that subject.

#3, again - just do a search. It really varies a lot. Different insects respond to different treatments, and the products I use depend on what bug happens to be infesting my plants.

#4, no - probably not. Not if you have them spread out as much as you seem to be planning to do. It's when you harvest them, and have them all in one spot, that the smell will be a problem. And believe me, with that many plants, smell will be a problem.

#5 - it really depends on the jurisdiction. There is no definite answer. On the one hand, generally speaking cops don't bother messing with 3 or 4 plants out in the woods, because they've just got too many other cop-things to do. But on the other hand.... you never know. There are no certainties, only likelihoods. The likelihood is they won't mess with you, but if by some chance they spot several of your sites in the same area, and start to suspect that maybe it's the same guy, well... suddenly it starts to look like a more attractive target.

#6 - it's hard to give details without knowing more about the area you're growing in, but what I generally do is go in on foot during the daytime, cut 'em and trim 'em in the woods, put the branches in garbage bags, walk them or boat them out somewhere close to a road or parking lot late in the afternoon, and come back after dark. Depending on the grow site.

One other thing - why so many strains? If this is your first big grow, I'd really recommend against it. Pick one, maybe two, and keep it simple. Each strain will behave differently, grow at different rates, mature at different times, look different, maybe have different water requirements and temperature tolerances, you name it. All your plants will look different from one another, and if you're an inexperienced grower, you'll have a much harder time figuring out if that's because there's something wrong with some of them or if it's just because, well... they look and act differently.

Thanks for the input. I will definitely do some more research on both insect control and deer control because those will be potential problems I can see happening.

As for harvesting the plants I think I will have to have them dispersed among a few homes/apartments for the drying/curing process.

Originally Posted by MediMaryUser

maybe cougar urine would work

Is cougar urine available for purchase somewhere?

Originally Posted by Skunk Baxter

Good point, and I've heard that it does. But I don't know if anything really works every time. You just have to accept that over the course of a season, you're going to lose some to the critters. I don't have much trouble with it, because I picked a site where there really aren't many deer or rabbits. Too rugged and hard for them to get around in.

Thanks for the post, but the way I see it is if it can be stopped why not try and prevent it from happening rather than just accepting the loss. I want to smoke my crop not become a welfare system for the wild

use fishing string to make a fence and use bushes and trees as the fence post lol.ive never done it but read about it on here.

just put a string going like 6 inches above ground then 1 foot then 3 feet

Originally Posted by MediMaryUser

use fishing string to make a fence and use bushes and trees as the fence post lol.ive never done it but read about it on here.

just put a string going like 6 inches above ground then 1 foot then 3 feet

Interesting! I suppose fishing string would be less noticeable than chicken wire and such. I think I will use this as my method. However, from what I have been reading it seems as though outdoor growers only worry about animals such as deer and whatnot during the vegetative stage or when growth has reach only 1-2 feet in height.

As for the flowering stage would one have to worry about deer and such eating the actually buds or just the fan leaves?