when my plants started flowering i started using a fertilizer with 14 4 28 npk. now i have 2 plants that seem to have what i call "vegetive flowering". my buds are all weak and thin, lots of wierd lettuce looking leaves come out of the buds. the leaves are long and many (they dont even look like weed leaves at all!! bright shiny green, short curved SINGLE leaves) , the white antennas (pistils?) are thin and practically non-existant. i have 2 plants acting this way, and the other 3 are fine. i just dont get it. i dont know if i should stop with the fert stuff i'm using or will i just be depriving "sick" plants of nutrients that may help them out of the problem. and no i cant change fert brand, my pot hobby is a "zero-investment" one (someone gave me the fertilizer). i've been growing for 4 years with great results, and this is the first time i've seen this. this is also the first time i've used this kind of npk. okay, so sounds like the npk right? maybe its even obvious, but has anyone ever seen wierd sick lettuce like buds like this before? its truly sad.

wow 14 4 28 ?

No wonder, your overdosing your plants, trying using 1/4 th of that, it might work better

bright shiny green means wayyy to much Nitorgen, if i was you id flush then a couple of times in a row and start with 1/4th of the npk, althought its very unbalanced npk it should be better then the hole lot.

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I don't know.. I'd like to see pix before saying definitively it's one thing or another.

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post pictures... go for a balanced npk

yes sir pictures would help

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well the bad news is that one of the most lettuce like plant is dead. it was so pathetic i just threw it out. (after quickdrying a little, it was so nasty) anyway, i do have pics of the other one with the "vegative flowering" and also of my healthy ones (who have taken the same npk). the crap 1,2,3 pics are of my northern lights that are wierd and crap. the NL good are my northern lights who have come along well; and then theres the bb files, its my bendy bubblicious plant. or well i thinks its a bubblegum, cuz it really does have the smell of gum. had to bend it with fishing line twice to stop it going over my wall for the ppl next door to see. anyway hope you all like the pics, let me know what you think. ps, i have stopped the npk and am just watering regularly now. and those crap pics, my god, in mid october a northern lights shouldnt look like that. thin leafy buds. i'm sure i wont even smoke it. just more weed in the garbage.

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it kinda looks like it's revegging, give it some nutes with a higher p and k than N

WTF..? That does look really screwy, I see what you mean and why you're concerned. But they don't appear overfertilized, either. You've found NO male flowers on these plants, either, have you?

How do you get bud off a plant like that? Did they grow out any trichomes?

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there were never any males flowers on these plants. as for the trichomes, they are there but theyre very small, underdevoleped, too sparsed out. they look like a girls hairy stubbly legs, what should be beautiful has this sortof unshaven shaggy look. yeah, thats the word for these trichomes, shaggy, like the few hairs on shaggys chin (from scoobydoo). i'm so pissed. also, it should be known that on ALL these plants, the trichomes are about 95 percent white. 20th october and all white. why are they so late? this never happened to me. My wife keeps telling me to cut em and i keep saying "no, its not a thing you do by date, you go by the color, like with bananas, your telling me to cut em while theyre still green and we need them 90 percent black" after 4 years of this and i'm still exlaining it to her. anyway, i would also like to clarify that me calling them northern lights is only cuz the guy who gave them to me was like "yeah man its northern lights, one of the most expensive out there" and I just thought yeah right...but in the end I have seen a ressemblence to that strain, but cant be sure either. also look at the tops of my "good northern lights". they look just a bit like the wierd plant dont they? they get a bit sparsed out at the very tops of the buds. these plants my "friend" gave me are getting to be more trouble than theyre worth. even the good northern lights, okay it has big fat buds, but upon closer examination, we notice that they are mostly leaf. very pretty, but not to practic for smoking. i'm sure the best smoke i'll have this year is my own home-grown mix of i dont know what that i've been smokin for years. dammit, and they got my mix pregnant, so now i'm gonna have the same problems next year..i might actually have to resort to buying seeds next year because i dont like wasting my time like this.

Are these from known good seeds? I am still way too new to have seen anything like this, I'd be pretty pissed off if this were the result of my work. And for me there is little reason to doubt your ability to grow this plant, to me 4yrs is plenty enough to have some say on the matter.

So, I ask myself, is it more likely than not that it's the grower, or the genetics of the plant? And I think that, in this case, it's more likely that you've got some weird genetics going on here. What's your gut telling you on this? You mentioned a new fert, but I don't remember what it was called. The numbers just seemed better for veg, seriously diluted (I like to feed weakly at this point in my career), and like you'd need something with that phosphorous boost for flowering. But you've got to already know all this, at least that's what I think.

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