Duplicating Wild Landrace Soils
Just wondering if it could be important. Seems a soil database would be a good thing.
too many variables. soil is soil. the only soil that could be compared is deep soil and basically you can do that here,
http://soils.usda.gov/use/worldsoils/mapindex/
match the soil info from the map to the land race of that region amd replicate that "type" of soil, not necessarily its composition.
Landrace genetics are more about the climate of the area...ie temps, humidity levels, sun intensity/angles, daylight/dark hour times, etc.
Soil is soil, really..the plant manipulates soil according to its needs...the external environment is what you want to control when dealing with landrace genetics in order to mimic previous grows.
-Snafu
Really trying to understand how best to replicate landrace environments..I know I can control light/heat and humidity but it seems that soil composition is the big unknown...there is a rare landrace strain-Kalinga (northern Philippines) that I am interest in stabilizing and just wondering if soil replication would be useful.
Grow a dozen or so plants, let them go to seed, tend to those plants as you normally would, and let those go to seed. Keep repeating and after five generations you got your own land race strain that's properly acclimated to your region. Land race strains are very hardy but also have lots of variations. They naturally stabilize over time but will always have a high phenotype.
A real gardener is not a man who cultivates flowers; he is a man who cultivates the soil. Organic gardening is based on knowledge and techniques gathered over thousands of years, using sustainable and holistic approaches.
Again, soil does not matter. Landrace genetics may impart a flavor from the soil, but it is all about the environment the plant lives in, more than the nutrients it is pulling from the ground, when speaking of landrace genetics and the attempt to mimic the environment in which they grew.Originally Posted by thetrickstergod
-Snafu
it seems you exclude soil from the environment, roots may disagree.
Last edited by thetrickstergod; 01-23-2013 at 11:19 PM.
Ugh. I am only trying to outlay some good information here in dealing with landrace genetics.
I am not asking for a personal shot at me here, 'thetrickstergod'. It is easy to impart a flame on a thread without actually doing any research or reading to understand with what or whom you speak.
If you only read maybe even one of my journals, or even a post from one of my threads on here, you would realize that I consider the Soil Food Web one of the most important factors of organic growing and their environment in which they live is critical for root growth promotion.
However, it is ignorant and arrogant posts such as yours that is making RIU have a bad name.
You and your 23 posts can piss off.
-Snafu
P.S. Soil/root environment should be moist, loaded with blended organic amendments, and thriving with microbiology. Anything other than that, the plant will suffer.
LANDRACE genetics will only suffer if the soil environment is not consistent. There is no 'magic silver bullet' of a soil amendment that imparts a specific quality to a plant, aside possibly taste.
So, if I go from London to Africa to the Hindu Kush region, all of those plants will require an according amount of HPK and micro-nutrients, along with the limiting factors of the environment. The qualities, the special traits, that are imparted to landrace genetics are from the formulation of the environment in which the plant adapts to over many years, it is not the plant roots adaptation to the soil over many years.
But don't listen to me, I do not care about the basis of plant life, the roots.
-Snafu
P.S. and yes, I am sensitive.
As with grapes when growing outdoors, the soil gives a certain flavor and body to what was grown in it. So if you want the full boat, in the replication. I'd say yes the native soil is important.
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