5th Week of Flower - Experiencing Deficiencies

I guess first i have to ask what kind of lighting and how close is it.It looks to me like the started off with a lack of N,P,K, and now the soil is void of nutes so she wont grow to much . Should be needing water at least 2 times a week ,and if your soil is that void you must us nutes every feeding. If you only seem to be feeding 1 time a week or less you probably got some root death(lol).next water add a bit of hydrogenperoxide and a drip or 2 of dawn dish detergent that will help any aillments and lossen the soil so water penatrates the soil easyer and will wash some salt from roots(if there is any)IMO!!

Thanks for the quick reply!

They are under a 600w HPS and were vegged under a 600w MH. Basically I was feeding every other watering but that only lasted the first week of waterings - with waterings being every 2.5 days. I got nervous of underfeeding so I have been using grow bloom and the bloom booster in one jug and the micros in another jug for each watering. They are in 5gal pots. I water before they wilt. Once or twice I skipped nutes and just did micros and RO water cause I felt the soil might have needed a break.

They all stretched to about 40" from roughly 22" and stopped stretching a week and a half ago. They are about to enter the 5th week of flowering tomorrow.

Any other info you need?

Doesn't even look too bad man, but you gotta give some more info as suggested above.

lighting?
atmosphere i.e. temps/humidity?
type of water?

And this is a little vague "then the various small 1-3ml of different micros per gallon jug" sometimes 3ml/gal of certain micros can be way too much, so clarification there as well.

Otherwise yeah, looksl like they could use more food, feed the fuck outa that bitch, and do what you're already doing, you mentioned you doubled the dosage so just work your way to the sweet spot, get some molasses in there too if not already and if you can bubble all your nutes for at least a few hours to 24hurs before to help start to break down and also ph balance. If you add enzymes or calmag+ add those LAST right before you water, don't bubble with them. Highly recommend bubbling!

Also consider ammending your soil mix, they are all kind of weak on their own for full size ladies like this, bone/blood/kelp/alfalfa meal, dolomite lime, all good stuff and you will notice the difference once you start ammending your soil AND going hard with the nutes/teas!

oh sorry, i notice you said your first homemade soil mix, well, whats in the mix??

Originally Posted by blueJ

Doesn't even look too bad man, but you gotta give some more info as suggested above.

lighting?
atmosphere i.e. temps/humidity?
type of water?

And this is a little vague "then the various small 1-3ml of different micros per gallon jug" sometimes 3ml/gal of certain micros can be way too much, so clarification there as well.

Otherwise yeah, looksl like they could use more food, feed the fuck outa that bitch, and do what you're already doing, you mentioned you doubled the dosage so just work your way to the sweet spot, get some molasses in there too if not already and if you can bubble all your nutes for at least a few hours to 24hurs before to help start to break down and also ph balance. If you add enzymes or calmag+ add those LAST right before you water, don't bubble with them. Highly recommend bubbling!

Also consider ammending your soil mix, they are all kind of weak on their own for full size ladies like this, bone/blood/kelp/alfalfa meal, dolomite lime, all good stuff and you will notice the difference once you start ammending your soil AND going hard with the nutes/teas!

oh sorry, i notice you said your first homemade soil mix, well, whats in the mix??

Word -

Lighting is the 600w HPS about 10" from the tops

Temps max at 80 with average of 78 during the day and 73 degrees at night. Humidity never goes above 50% I run a dehumie to keep it around 35-40%.

So, being new to growing I am kinda new to the whole mixing and brewing deal. I normally use water run through a brita filter into my 1 gal jugs. Then I mix the main Grow and Bloom in with the bloom booster (Deuce Deuce) and usually bubble that. When I do micros it goes like this: Prozyme (10-15ml), Fulvic Acid(1-3ml), Humic Acid(1-3ml), CalMg(1-3ml),and honey(5-15ml) into a jug and then bubble.

I have a few times used tap water, bubbled it for 24 hrs to dechlorinate, added nutes and bubbled but the pH is always very high (like 7.5-8.0) so I stick with the brita water for a nicer pH (6.2-6..

So... DONT bubble with my CalMg/Prozyme - gotcha, thanks. also does that go for the acids?

Right now they are in Fox Farms Ocean Forest mixed with Happy Frog. I have super soil made for the next batch, want to get off the bottles.

Thanks a lot Bluej

Is the CalMag Humboldt? If not what brand?

To be honest man, I don't think it's a feeding issue, not that you can't feed them harder. They could have used a little more N during that stretch for sure, and you should probably still add a little now instead of giving it more grow formula. You want flowers right, so use the bloom and feed double strength from here on out. I'd recommend either using a liquid N product like Nature's Nectar Nitrogen, or using a little guano or some alfalfa in a tea. I use alfalfa in my teas all through flower and they seem to get just enough N all the way through without my leaves ever getting dark.

You've got a TON of healthy green leaves on the top, and a ton on the bottom. You've just got basically some fan leaves in the middle that are yellow and crunchy.

Have the plants gone without water enough to make some of the fan leaves kinda "droop" down? I've dried my pots out before where the leaves got droopy and then after I watered they all picked back up...but days or a week or so later some of the bigger fan leaves would kinda just yellow up, and then turn crunchy, just like yours.

Another suggestion would be mites, but I'd need a close-up pic of fan leaf. Sometimes they attack some fan leaves first, and you don't really see them right way. It starts off looking like some tiny little brownish spots on the leaf, and then eventually turns the leaves yellow as they die. Did you check the underside of the leaves for any mites?

Originally Posted by Daemonn789

Word -

So, being new to growing I am kinda new to the whole mixing and brewing deal. I normally use water run through a brita filter into my 1 gal jugs. Then I mix the main Grow and Bloom in with the bloom booster (Deuce Deuce) and usually bubble that. When I do micros it goes like this: Prozyme (10-15ml), Fulvic Acid(1-3ml), Humic Acid(1-3ml), CalMg(1-3ml),and honey(5-15ml) into a jug and then bubble.

I have a few times used tap water, bubbled it for 24 hrs to dechlorinate, added nutes and bubbled but the pH is always very high (like 7.5-8.0) so I stick with the brita water for a nicer pH (6.2-6..

So... DONT bubble with my CalMg/Prozyme - gotcha, thanks. also does that go for the acids?

Right now they are in Fox Farms Ocean Forest mixed with Happy Frog. I have super soil made for the next batch, want to get off the bottles.

Thanks a lot Bluej

Looks good, i can't seem to get away from bottles myself, as no matter how strong i make my soil they are always hungry and once flower hits they are fed EVERY watering, which comes out to twice a week.

Your qty's of fulvic/humic are good, add those right into your batch of nutes you bubble along with the honey, good to have all that bubble together. Add the CaMg, and you can go up to 5ml/gal if using RO water and especially if you don't have dolomite lime/epsom salt in the soil, i have both and still do 3ml/gal, cut the prozyme back to like 3ml/gal and use every watering once you hit flower, i don't really use it at all in veg since your roots are fresh and not rootbound yet.

Consider using molasses @ 5ml/gal and then once a week or so when you hit flower switch it out for the honey ES @ 5ml/gal.

Also, try getting a bag of worm castings, and once you add all your liquid, throw a scoop of EWC and let that bubble a day, you might notice some foam good shit! and then the 'zymes and camg right before you water

Originally Posted by + WitchDoctor +

Is the CalMag Humboldt? If not what brand?

To be honest man, I don't think it's a feeding issue, not that you can't feed them harder. They could have used a little more N during that stretch for sure, and you should probably still add a little now instead of giving it more grow formula. You want flowers right, so use the bloom and feed double strength from here on out. I'd recommend either using a liquid N product like Nature's Nectar Nitrogen, or using a little guano or some alfalfa in a tea. I use alfalfa in my teas all through flower and they seem to get just enough N all the way through without my leaves ever getting dark.

You've got a TON of healthy green leaves on the top, and a ton on the bottom. You've just got basically some fan leaves in the middle that are yellow and crunchy.

Have the plants gone without water enough to make some of the fan leaves kinda "droop" down? I've dried my pots out before where the leaves got droopy and then after I watered they all picked back up...but days or a week or so later some of the bigger fan leaves would kinda just yellow up, and then turn crunchy, just like yours.

Another suggestion would be mites, but I'd need a close-up pic of fan leaf. Sometimes they attack some fan leaves first, and you don't really see them right way. It starts off looking like some tiny little brownish spots on the leaf, and then eventually turns the leaves yellow as they die. Did you check the underside of the leaves for any mites?

Oh... well that might be exactly it - with a combo of underfeeding. I did have a day where they got wilted pretty bad for a few hours, hasnt happened since but yup - yellow crunchy leaves.

I def dont have bugs. I spray neem pretty religiously and I also check very thoroughly. I had someone give me a clone that started to transfer mites to my other plants. I eradicated them but learned very well what they look like, how they move, where they lag eggs, how they pull leaf edges together with webbing sometimes for a curl look, the dots from eating the leaf surface or attaching eggs to the underside... Fuckin hate the borg. Kill on sight!

Yes it is Humboldts Equilibrium... For their feeding schedule they actually have you using Grow through finish, albeit a tapering off through flower, it never says to stop giving it. Its 0-3-0. But I am def gonna keep the Bloom food up. Thanks a ton.

Originally Posted by blueJ

Looks good, i can't seem to get away from bottles myself, as no matter how strong i make my soil they are always hungry and once flower hits they are fed EVERY watering, which comes out to twice a week.

Your qty's of fulvic/humic are good, add those right into your batch of nutes you bubble along with the honey, good to have all that bubble together. Add the CaMg, and you can go up to 5ml/gal if using RO water and especially if you don't have dolomite lime/epsom salt in the soil, i have both and still do 3ml/gal, cut the prozyme back to like 3ml/gal and use every watering once you hit flower, i don't really use it at all in veg since your roots are fresh and not rootbound yet.

Consider using molasses @ 5ml/gal and then once a week or so when you hit flower switch it out for the honey ES @ 5ml/gal.

Also, try getting a bag of worm castings, and once you add all your liquid, throw a scoop of EWC and let that bubble a day, you might notice some foam good shit! and then the 'zymes and camg right before you water

Awesome info, thank you so much!

I dont have any molasses, but I do have the honey ES. I have a bag of worm castings now, a "scoop" is like a tablespoon or spoonful? Is the prozyme what you would recommend adding after bubbling? Or is there something else far more effective?

Cool, I think these will finish much better with this advice and the confidence to get it done right!


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