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forums; Originally Posted by personified The part you seem to keep forgeting is the eco system of bacteria. It is pumped ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by personified View Post
    The part you seem to keep forgeting is the eco system of bacteria. It is pumped up to the hydroton and then decomposes. Now I do not want to argue with your expertise with out ever doing it. Instead I will just go with my experience and the clarity of my water.

    These fish were the size of my pinky thumbnail when I got them except for the koi which was the size of my thumbnail over 2 years ago.

    Now please explain to me why they are not dead. Stop thinking linear this is not a regular fish tank all the rules you think you know DO NOT APPLY!!!
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    Your setup reminds me of when I used to grow peace lillies, calla lillies, bamboo and other plants out of my aquaclear filters back in the day. People were stunned when they first laid eyes on my filters and would say "won't that kill your fish?" after a good chuckle, I start to explain how plant roots are as much a part of their natural environment as the water they live in. You are basically making the plants and the growing medium your filter. Have you ever tried using terracotta grains and zeolite as a growing medium? If not, you should give it a try.
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    I should also point out that water in any pond or aquarium contains the lowest density of microbes within the system. It is the substrate and or the filter that really houses bacteria...think of your substrate and filter as a huge housing project for microbes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by personified View Post

    Now please explain to me why they are not dead. Stop thinking linear this is not a regular fish tank all the rules you think you know DO NOT APPLY!!!
    well i have explained to you why over feeding can kill fish and make water unhealthy. i'm not sure where you have disproved that. at any rate, i was talking about regular fish tanks in the first place. linear thinking? not sure where you're coming from

    still, if things are working for you, good speed & happy growing

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    This is Without a doubt a no shitter. Also those " nitrobacters", or bacteria That transform un eaten fish food, fish shit ect live in those undergravel systems as well as canisters waterfalls, and on and on. When added to a composter or a worm bed it increases the speed in witch tings compost..
    Well done on this thread, i've often wondered if I was the only one doing this. peace

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    Quote Originally Posted by monkeybones View Post
    well i have explained to you why over feeding can kill fish and make water unhealthy. i'm not sure where you have disproved that. at any rate, i was talking about regular fish tanks in the first place. linear thinking? not sure where you're coming from

    still, if things are working for you, good speed & happy growing
    i overfeed all the time. some fish will die, but you don't want those anyway. you want to darwinize and select the ones that can handle the environment YOU want to throw at them, you don't want to have to lower performance to suit the weakest, least tolerant fish. key is to make sure all the fine particles of uneaten food (crumbs, if you will) get cleaned up. so further downstream, i have suckerfish, crabs, crawfish, and feeder minnows that i don't feed scavenging those fine crumbs, which will foul just about everything, cause algae growth, root fouling, pump impeller fouling, and so on.

    my current ap grow:
    flowering with aquaponics, revisited

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    Quote Originally Posted by haole420 View Post
    i overfeed all the time. some fish will die, but you don't want those anyway. you want to darwinize and select the ones that can handle the environment YOU want to throw at them, you don't want to have to lower performance to suit the weakest, least tolerant fish. key is to make sure all the fine particles of uneaten food (crumbs, if you will) get cleaned up. so further downstream, i have suckerfish, crabs, crawfish, and feeder minnows that i don't feed scavenging those fine crumbs, which will foul just about everything, cause algae growth, root fouling, pump impeller fouling, and so on.

    my current ap grow:
    flowering with aquaponics, revisited
    I see my role mainly as caregiver and observer. Given the opportunity every life form has something interesting to teach you, regardless of it's outward appearance or genetic disposition.
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