Da Almighty Jew
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I don't get this. I use a tablespoon per gallon in bloom and half that when in veg. And i cant see why i should cut back on this
Why use less molasses? I want my bud as sweet and dense as possible
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I don't get this. I use a tablespoon per gallon in bloom and half that when in veg. And i cant see why i should cut back on this
bamfrivet
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Molasses doesn't sweeten your bud. Nothing sweetens your bud, that's all a lie. What your plant absorbs doesn't change the taste of it, it doesn't work that way. Molasses feeds your soil. Read up on whats in your soil. Molasses gives your soil some carbs, sugars, trace minerals and all the organisms in your soil love that stuff. The organisms feed your plant. That's why when you use molasses it makes your plants look and taste better.
ClamDigger
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and molasses is acidic, which can cause low dirt PH, and that slows down microbial growth rather then speeding it up.
kingofqueen
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That guy said molassas doesnt sweeten your bud then in the same paragraph said it feeds your plants sugers! Holy hell and two ppl liked it ! Jeez .
Been there done that dude ! I started out in organics and used molassas for one reason and it was for a calcium and magnesium supplement . I used about what you listed . Since then I have moved on to a soiless medium and chem nutes . I run perpetual and harvested 3 plants off this method and I will tell you first hand that taste has fallen off big time and I DO KNOW how to cure .
I'm I saying molassas made it sweet ? No I cant say that I have no way to prove it but I can tell you I'm sticking with soiless (performs better than soil) and loading it up hot in search of what give it that extra sweet taste even if that means going back to molassas if I have to ,then I could say hell yes it makes it sweeter , I dont care if was molassas or not I just want the taste back !
(edit)forgot to mention your thread title reminded me my buds are not as dense as they used to be .
AND the reson not to use to much is that too much calcium or magnesium will cause nutrient lockouts . I believed i used more close to 2 teaspoons per a gallon , less is more !
(re edit) Damn you reseach at all this thread posted a few days b4 yours all you need to know in one stop https://www.rollitup.org/organics/444382-molasses-mineral-values-dipshit-edition.html
Been there done that dude ! I started out in organics and used molassas for one reason and it was for a calcium and magnesium supplement . I used about what you listed . Since then I have moved on to a soiless medium and chem nutes . I run perpetual and harvested 3 plants off this method and I will tell you first hand that taste has fallen off big time and I DO KNOW how to cure .
I'm I saying molassas made it sweet ? No I cant say that I have no way to prove it but I can tell you I'm sticking with soiless (performs better than soil) and loading it up hot in search of what give it that extra sweet taste even if that means going back to molassas if I have to ,then I could say hell yes it makes it sweeter , I dont care if was molassas or not I just want the taste back !
(edit)forgot to mention your thread title reminded me my buds are not as dense as they used to be .
AND the reson not to use to much is that too much calcium or magnesium will cause nutrient lockouts . I believed i used more close to 2 teaspoons per a gallon , less is more !
(re edit) Damn you reseach at all this thread posted a few days b4 yours all you need to know in one stop https://www.rollitup.org/organics/444382-molasses-mineral-values-dipshit-edition.html
bamfrivet
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You are correct, I did say that it doesn't sweeten your bud, and that the plant does absorb some of the sugar. Just because a plant absorbs sugar, doesn't mean it makes it taste any sweeter. Plants use sugars for energy, not for flavoring. The way a plant tastes isn't because the sugar that your plant absorbed traveled through the plant and popped out onto your nug. The sugar your plant absorbed didn't effect the taste at all, it was the other things in the molasses feeding the micro organisms in the soil, in turn feeding your plant, so it could reach it's full potential and produce it's natural flavor to a fuller extent.
I do agree with you about the reason not to use to much because of cal/mag and nut lock though.
kingofqueen
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Right on for sure didnt mean to point out the contradition but I got a laugh out of it so.... I,m not questioning anyones ability or experiance just the fact that I did drop molasasas and organic soil additives and taste did fall off namely sweetness . I'm working on figuring it out and will be able to post actual data on growth and taste both ways . I already can do that but its just what caused the sweetness I dont know .
chronic coinoisseur
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Actually plants produce sugars to feed soil microbiology as an excrete. which in turns breaks down matter, chelates and makes nutrients more available. If not calcium/magnesium surely the potassium would cause some serious lockout problems, as i believe potassium or "k" is one of the major elements available from molasses
Nullis
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K is usually lacking in common organic amendments, though. Any kind of bone meal, blood meal, alfalfa meal, cottonseed meal, guanos, et al. simply don't have a lot of potash. Bone meal and guanos especially have lots of nitrogen and/or phosphorous but little if any potash.
Greensand, kelp meal, sulfate of potash and molasses are the best natural K sources I can think of. Density pretty much boils down to genetics and light intensity when all other conditions are ideal. Flavor and aroma is all about the terpenoids and phenolic compounds the plant produces.
Greensand, kelp meal, sulfate of potash and molasses are the best natural K sources I can think of. Density pretty much boils down to genetics and light intensity when all other conditions are ideal. Flavor and aroma is all about the terpenoids and phenolic compounds the plant produces.
Da Almighty Jew
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ok now i see why i shouldnt use too much, because of potential lock out. What i will do then is when i feed heavy molasses i just wont use any cal mag
Besides the fact of potential lockout are there any other reasons to use less?
molasses is a natural chelate, plants uptake sugars and microbes eat them, I dont see why less is more
I am thinking that since it is a chelate that could make it possible to burn if you use with other ferts.
Besides the fact of potential lockout are there any other reasons to use less?
molasses is a natural chelate, plants uptake sugars and microbes eat them, I dont see why less is more
I am thinking that since it is a chelate that could make it possible to burn if you use with other ferts.
Nullis
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Stuff shouldn't burn anything around 1 tbsp\gal or less, but less is still more. Too wasted to find my references at the moment, but there should be research which demonstrates the efficacy of various plant carb supplements and that at different rates they affect different kinds of micro-organisms in the soil. Most bacteria, of course, love the simple sugars found in blackstrap molasses.
Actually, here ya go... I found the PDF which details some research apparently based upon field applications** for molasses, kelp and fish emulsion ; not sure I can attach it but here is a quotation for now.
Actually, here ya go... I found the PDF which details some research apparently based upon field applications** for molasses, kelp and fish emulsion ; not sure I can attach it but here is a quotation for now.
**Open field, in the ground aka not container plantings.
Da Almighty Jew
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I was thinking that molasses was the holy grail of sweetners and carb load. But now after all this research on on how plants uptake only small amounts of diffrent sugars. It has me thinking that a "sweetner" and molasses serve 2 diffrent functions. I could be wrong.
NoobgrowerLbc
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Molasses is great stuff, here my experience i grow tobacco too and i treat them like my bud plants, i feed them sea bird guano and molasses in the form of airated tea like every single day outdoors. Whem i harvest it, they taste kinda fruity and sweet which is odd for tobacco but yea it does aid in flavor through bateria eating and shiting special food for your plants. You should use airated tea, ph dosent matter in organics i brew my tea for 1-2 days than feed my ph is still really acidic for the first couple of days but so far my plant grows really good. And i barely measure amounts i just add what either i think is good enough in a 20 gallon pot and just water everyday till it runs out. I probably put too much guano and molasses but it never feels like enough becuase i never burn my plants.
Da Almighty Jew
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I used to use alot of aerated tea but a strange thing happened and my buds started to smell like the tea which i did not like. So now i use it like every couple of weeks.
watchhowIdoit
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Agreed. Not the magic potion many make it out to be. If you want to included molasses in your grow you should look into dry molasses and included that into your mix at the start of the grow...
watchhowIdoit
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Going from organic to chemical is the reason for the drop in flavor...
dannyboy602
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Where did u hear that? Microbial growth is seen in pools of sulfur near volcanos. U can't stop bacteria from growing. Not through ph. The bacteria have been here a lot longer than we have and when we are gone they will still be here
Here is an interesting read on blackstrap. It can be used as a tonic and consumed.
http://www.naturalnews.com/026296_molasses_health_sugar.html
kingofqueen
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Well thanks for pointing that out , but that issue is obvious . I stated that more or less above .
kingofqueen
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Damn man , did you state that you was using cal/mag with the molassas? Yeah you had the wrong idea for the use of molassas . You will have trouble using both , use one or the other or alternate weeks .
Everybody gets in a tissy over these molassas threads they are all the same but what I think everybody forgets that molassas is fucking cheap , if used correctly it's the poor mans mineral supplement and beastie feed . I dont blame anyone for using it . For me I run into calcium def's , I was using RO water but being broke and not to mention cheap molasass was the go for me it cleared the def and I used it every water at 1 tsp per gallon .
On the other hand if you can afford it just buy a quality cal/mag supplement . If you dont need it for the minerals it supplemnts and just want to feed the soil life , I,d only use it every other or 3rd watering , it does seem to build up in the soil and abuse off it causes lockouts .
Everybody gets in a tissy over these molassas threads they are all the same but what I think everybody forgets that molassas is fucking cheap , if used correctly it's the poor mans mineral supplement and beastie feed . I dont blame anyone for using it . For me I run into calcium def's , I was using RO water but being broke and not to mention cheap molasass was the go for me it cleared the def and I used it every water at 1 tsp per gallon .
On the other hand if you can afford it just buy a quality cal/mag supplement . If you dont need it for the minerals it supplemnts and just want to feed the soil life , I,d only use it every other or 3rd watering , it does seem to build up in the soil and abuse off it causes lockouts .
ataxia
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Don't forget ...... overuse of molasses can lock out N also.... so if you're pouring a tblspn every watering expect to see some N def. I've experienced this through flowering feeding high N foods with no results, then did some research and found that i was going way too heavy on the molasses.
also ...i've tried with and without. They don't call botanicare's Sweet for nothing. IMO molasses can add a bit of sweetness aka extra sugar to your final product
also ...i've tried with and without. They don't call botanicare's Sweet for nothing. IMO molasses can add a bit of sweetness aka extra sugar to your final product
kingofqueen
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That is very true ! Contrary to popular belief you can sustain living soil indoors with chemical nutes . It doesnt kill em , the salts leave the soil with nothing for them to eat . You just have to keep em fed.