Got Dirt? - My first Organic Go Around

We're talking orginal clone only diesel here
ECSD!
As the storys been told to me Im about 2 hours from where it was first bred.
Land of the Dumpster would probably be more accurate.

Originally Posted by randomseed

We're talking orginal clone only diesel here
ECSD!
As the storys been told to me Im about 2 hours from where it was first bred.
Land of the Dumpster would probably be more accurate.

haha it originated in mass if the story serves right but it is east coast..

Just wanted to throw it out there that this soil is ROCKING....................
Ill get some picks up but damn

this is very good info!!!! I've been using subcool's recipe but i want to recycle my soil after the run and am having trouble getting sub to answer my question. How would you recommend i recycle and then re-amend my soil. I worried there might be leftover nutes from his recipe and if i re-amend at full strength i might burn them on the next run. Any input would be greatly appreciated

Originally Posted by cageuser

this is very good info!!!! I've been using subcool's recipe but i want to recycle my soil after the run and am having trouble getting sub to answer my question. How would you recommend i recycle and then re-amend my soil. I worried there might be leftover nutes from his recipe and if i re-amend at full strength i might burn them on the next run. Any input would be greatly appreciated

Well the good news is that up to now it has not presented any problems or issues with recycling, it seems most of the stuff is consumed during the run (good fall colors).
I do share that concern with a few items
EWC - cant overdue outside as long as you dont let you soil drainage suffer from constant breakdown (perlite additions).
Kelp Meal - not a worry, hard to overdue
Bone Meal - not sure if it is concentrating over time, P is hard to burn on so its not a huge worry (low N), also since it can only be converted and used my microlife and not the plant itself burn potential is minimal.
Guanos - seem to get eaten up before the end of the run, by not adding any for the last 1-2 weeks I think the concern for this is negligable (vendor recs are 2tbl per week so we are not anywhere near that level)
Azomite, greensand, Lime
these three are the hardest for me to predict, all are pretty damn slow release so the chance of them building up over time is a real concern, esspecially with the lime. For the time being I plant on skipping the lime every other time through recycling to hopefully negate, keeping my eye on out for micro burns on future runs.

For this year I do plan on skipping most the admendements (az,lime,green,bone) for a middle of the year run to drain out the soil again just in case.
Wish I had better answers but Im looking into the same question myself. As is I dont think the soil is particularly hot so it seems pretty safe for at least a few runs in a row amended as listed.

so are you saying adding perlite to the soil is detrimental? i was a little confused about that earlier in the post. But thanks for the response. I've heard microbial life allows the plant to thrive in a wider ph range. What are your thoughts on that? Also i use ro water and hear people talking about having to add a cal mag supplement. I haven't yet and have seen no problems so far, but then again i'm only a week into flower. Any thoughts on this?

Originally Posted by cageuser

so are you saying adding perlite to the soil is detrimental? i was a little confused about that earlier in the post. But thanks for the response. I've heard microbial life allows the plant to thrive in a wider ph range. What are your thoughts on that? Also i use ro water and hear people talking about having to add a cal mag supplement. I haven't yet and have seen no problems so far, but then again i'm only a week into flower. Any thoughts on this?

No, Im saying you need the perlite to keep the consitency from clogging up as more and more organic material breaks down and turns to mud over runs.
For PH yes, I rarely even bother to PH anymore and even when I do its just to make sure things are not way out of whack, if its close I dont care (the lime is a stabalizer as well).
With my soil the only real source of cal or mag is the lime and thats slow release. I have water hardness of around 150 (filtered) so I dont worry about it much but once a week I will include some cal/mag just in case. Using RO I do think it starts to become more important but the cal/mag needs of plants seems to be highly strain dependent as well.

Originally Posted by randomseed

I was a little skeptical at first but its the best decision Ive ever made. Plants are completly healthy and happy and instead of spending an hour + three times a week mixing and PHing all I gotta do is grenade the PH in the right ballpark and just water.....so simple....so awesome!
Its not like I was growing bad plants before either but this mix gives me health that matches or excedes what the fox farm mix was giving me when it was brand new. If my theories are correct then this soil should just get better for future runs. And yes...water only until 2nd week of flower (flowers showing), from there you can make your own choices.

Working on soil V2 that will be 12 weeks water only through flowering - figure by the end of 2011 I should have all of this figured out.

Shout out to Sub for planting alot of the ideas Im working with in my head.

Yep...this is very similer to what I experianced in my current grow. Plants needed fuel around week 2 useing supersoil mixed as per subcool. Love the shit man...so many more flowers...so many bigger lower flowers and colas that are solid without any space between nodes...one long bud 14 inches. At least my bluecheeze is this way. Its a heavy feeding plant for sure. Im gonna borrow some of your teas. I have found that once you build up the fuel in the soil and the microbes are busy....and the plant is budding out good every night then I just water really lightly twice then one good watering. Keeps them budding.

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