Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize

Originally Posted by + WitchDoctor +

Jeez, I've gotta try harder, that's awesome. To be honest I didn't even think we could break 1 gpw without a better P source or guanos.

Sure you can. I start with a fairly well amended soil mix and use the GO as a supplement when the plants start telling me they need it. Canopy control is vital to good wpf numbers though, along with a good environment.

Originally Posted by Wolverine97

Sure you can. I start with a fairly well amended soil mix and use the GO as a supplement when the plants start telling me they need it. Canopy control is vital to good wpf numbers though, along with a good environment.

Yea, you know I got so into my soil and making compost and shit the last few months I haven't even concerned myself with canopy a whole lot. And I haven't been pruning as good as I can either. Still though, you're the man for pulling that much per watt. That'll be my goal for the next round of Blue Dreams and Strawberry Coughs I've got vegging, 1gpw.

Are you using light movers? I just (almost) finished my two side by side rooms...so that I can do all my side by sides in controlled environments. They're both 7'x4'x7. I'm gonna get run 12 plants in each (Mr. Schuette will be so pleased) as soon as I can get the light movers with 600 in one room and 1000 in the other and see if 600 gets the job done. Here's a few pics almost finished. I'm happy so far.
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Originally Posted by + WitchDoctor +

Yea, you know I got so into my soil and making compost and shit the last few months I haven't even concerned myself with canopy a whole lot. And I haven't been pruning as good as I can either. Still though, you're the man for pulling that much per watt. That'll be my goal for the next round of Blue Dreams and Strawberry Coughs I've got vegging, 1gpw.

Are you using light movers? I just (almost) finished my two side by side rooms...so that I can do all my side by sides in controlled environments. They're both 7'x4'x7. I'm gonna get run 12 plants in each (Mr. Schuette will be so pleased) as soon as I can get the light movers with 600 in one room and 1000 in the other and see if 600 gets the job done. Here's a few pics almost finished. I'm happy so far.
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Yeah, last time around I got lazy with pruning/shaping and my yield suffered greatly. I guess it's easy to get comfortable when you think things are going well. Usually the only time I get to 1.25gpw or over is when I SCROG, which I honestly may not do anymore. I recently added onto my space, and don't know yet if the extra yield is worth the headache. We'll see how it goes.

I don't use movers, but I probably should. I've thought about it, and even bought one but never installed the thing just because of the PITA of having to redo ventilation. And as for our friendly neighborhood AG, he can go die in a fire for all I care. I hate him so much... "pot profiteers", "they've hijacked this system", blah blah blah, fuck him and his trampling on our liberty. Fuck Shuette.

Your setup looks good though. Good luck.

A fire would be too good for him.

And thanks. I ordered some magnet snaps I'm gonna throw in every 12 inches on the bottom and tape them in with hvac tape..to hopefully keep mites out better and run my co2 more efficiently. That's another issue is I haven't been using co2 for 2 months while working on tents, so I probably haven't been getting enough fresh air to them lately.

However, my OGs and White Rhinos got a little over 18" in veg and I needed to flip them today, so I tried a little LST kinda deal by tying down some of the longer branches to the bottom ring of the tomato cage and I put them under 12/12. I'm hoping I'll be able to fill out the middle of each cage with flowers, instead of just having like 8-10 colas in it. We'll see.

+ WitchDoctor +

Are you using light movers? I just (almost) finished my two side by side rooms...so that I can do all my side by sides in controlled environments. They're both 7'x4'x7. I'm gonna get run 12 plants in each (Mr. Schuette will be so pleased) as soon as I can get the light movers with 600 in one room and 1000 in the other and see if 600 gets the job done. Here's a few pics almost finished. I'm happy so far.

Thanks for helping motivate me witchD. I have a new bloom room to build and it will be 7'x4'x9+'. I can't wait to have more headroom than a tent! I have been loathe to get started but now my Island Sweet Skunks are blasting off in veg and need to be flipped. Your side by side setup looks ideal, nice work! How much light for each? Just one lamp on a mover in each one? My plan is three 600s on a light rail down the middle. I will probably run 2 when its hot and 3 when I can get better temps. I dream of having a real side by side grow like you built, weed nerds need good data!

Originally Posted by Kalyx

Thanks for helping motivate me witchD. I have a new bloom room to build and it will be 7'x4'x9+'. I can't wait to have more headroom than a tent! I have been loathe to get started but now my Island Sweet Skunks are blasting off in veg and need to be flipped. Your side by side setup looks ideal, nice work! How much light for each? Just one lamp on a mover in each one? My plan is three 600s on a light rail down the middle. I will probably run 2 when its hot and 3 when I can get better temps. I dream of having a real side by side grow like you built, weed nerds need good data!

Yea I kinda motivated myself as well lol. I was slumpin around for a couple weeks and now I've been up to all kinds of shit the last few days...maybe it's Blue Dream

I've got 1 600 in each room for right now, haven't gotten the movers yet, probably not till next month. I'm covering a 4'x4' area with it for now. I just put 9 plants in there, the OGs and the Rhinos I'm using for my side by sides. I'll have to wait a couple months to actually use the rooms to do the side by sides, timing and all. I was actually kinda inspired by Wolverine's yields on veganics and I'm gonna try and push myself a little now. I'm gonna hook the co2 back up this weekend, and today instead of letting the 6-8 taller branches grow up and be colas, I kinda LSTed them to the lower ring of the tomato cage and flipped them like that. I'm gonna leave them like that for at least a week and hopefull get some more vertical growth out of them.
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I'll start a journal tomorrow for the high P tea thing I'm trying out. It looks like the compost might just BARELY be ready in time...

And yes, weed nerds definitely need good data. I need to find a rich weed nerd with money to pay for me to get my nerd weed tested all the time lol.

I have 3 600s in the other bloom room, which is now the room we use to stretch out the plants we juice, It's 10x3, and it's been more than enough, so I would say for a 7'x4'x9' room you'd have more than enough coverage with 600s covering the 7' and the light mover traveling the 4'. In fact...maybe when I get another 1000w system I'll try out the 1000w on one side and two 600s on the other, both with movers...

I need to make a house payment soon, before they take away all my fun...

EDIT: First shot using teas from worm compost high in P and K for BLOOM BOOSTER side/side

+ WitchDoctor +

I'll start a journal tomorrow for the high P tea thing I'm trying out. It looks like the compost might just BARELY be ready in time...

I checked it out. Plants look healthy and I can't wait to hear how it goes.

And yes, weed nerds definitely need good data. I need to find a rich weed nerd with money to pay for me to get my nerd weed tested all the time lol.

Do you have a refroactometer? Brix readings are a good (and easy enough to take, especially if you already JUICE) indicator of overall plant health. It would be a sweet addition to any side by side data. They are very commonly used in the wine, fruit, greenhouse, etc. industry. I got mine recently on the CHEAP at the local shop because they have had 3 for YEARS with zero interest. They still have one plus the demo... a decades supply in this town!

I have 3 600s in the other bloom room, which is now the room we use to stretch out the plants we juice, It's 10x3, and it's been more than enough, so I would say for a 7'x4'x9' room you'd have more than enough coverage with 600s covering the 7' and the light mover traveling the 4'. In fact...maybe when I get another 1000w system I'll try out the 1000w on one side and two 600s on the other, both with movers...

I know those 2 6s would slay a single thouie! Especially on movers, NO need to run that comparison. Clarification; you would move the lamps along the 4'run instead of the 7'run? Ideally id like to purchase another hood and run 4X600 with two parallel light rails moving along the 7' run, a pair of 6s on each rail moving in a checkerboard style array. (not right next to each other but staggered) Better get going on this...

Yea, I figure the two 600s would cover the 7' length nicely, especially with the lights being in a series. So the mover could just travel a foot in the other direction to cover the 4' better. That's exactly what I'll do when I get another 1000w for the other room. Oh, and a clarification on my end as well, I've never used light movers. Lol. But I can't see how they wouldn't help in a situation where I'm not going to add more watts either way.

I'll look into getting a refroactometer. Sounds neat.