Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize

**RPsmoke420** · 06-29-2011, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by beeznutz

started on the bottom then moved up. when I first noticed it I started foliar with B1+GO Bio Weed twice a week.
I have humboldt Natural Bloom which is 0-10-0 which is my phosphate add....
also, I'm doing hydro in hempy buckets and been veging fir about 65 days..

thx RP....

You are very welcome Beeznuts.

Soil ph can often lock out phosphorus, so you may have a one-two punch going on. High levels of Iron and Zinc can also make phosphorus bound, and unavailable to plants. I would water with some plain water lightly. Check pH of soil or runoff. Adjust water pH and water again with adjusted pH'd water. On the next feeding day, maybe add some Humboldt Bloom at ~ 5ml/gallon. Some people report really low pH numbers after adding hygrozyme... just a thought.

**Wolverine97** · 06-29-2011, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by beeznutz

man...i'm having some issues with my ladies and it's been happening around the time i've switched to Bio Canna line of nutes- can it be related? i was using GO till about mid veg then switched to bio vega...here's what's going on:

the brown spots are dry and crunchy, they'll just crush if u touch them.
i'm about to switch to 12/12 tonite and did a water flush last nite.....
plants are tall [about 2ft] and bushy, running about 600ppm with BioVega+CalMg+B1+Hygrozime+GO Bio Weed. didn't have any issues with new growth, seems to be growing but these spots are worying because iv noticed they are spreading.
whatya guys think?

Definitely phosphorus, not a doubt in my mind. That's the textbook expression of P def, especially with the damaged areas being very brittle. Phosphorus is best applied at the root, but a foliar feed will help somewhat. Depending on what stage of growth you're at, this could be an instance where a chemical fertilizer is warranted (only to correct the issue and get things back on track). Organic/veganic will take a few days longer to correct it.

**Da Almighty Jew** · 06-30-2011, 04:03 AM

Originally Posted by beeznutz

man...i'm having some issues with my ladies and it's been happening around the time i've switched to Bio Canna line of nutes- can it be related? i was using GO till about mid veg then switched to bio vega...here's what's going on:

the brown spots are dry and crunchy, they'll just crush if u touch them.
i'm about to switch to 12/12 tonite and did a water flush last nite.....
plants are tall [about 2ft] and bushy, running about 600ppm with BioVega+CalMg+B1+Hygrozime+GO Bio Weed. didn't have any issues with new growth, seems to be growing but these spots are worying because iv noticed they are spreading.
whatya guys think?

Looks like there is some type of lock out. Could be from a few things, not enough light, incorrect npk proportions, ph. I would suggest use water only for the next few days and see if it clears up.

**PakaloloHui** · 06-30-2011, 05:45 AM

I agree with Wolverine, it is a P def in the veg. state of growth.

**beeznutz** · 06-30-2011, 11:08 AM

thx guys, it looks like P def then.... fed them lightly last nite with 5ml/gl as per RP's advice, we'll se what happens...
gotta say that that Natural Bloom is some heavy thick shite- took me a bit of effort to get it mixed, dunno if i'm gonna b using it
again not that there's anything bad about it just dont think it works with my setup, have to find a different source of P thats thinner..
i had to take cuttings so i did some trimming as well getting rid of sick leaves as well as bottom leaves so hopefully that will help.

@Matt... checked the date on Vega, it's 7/12 so should be good on that end. also checked the ph on the runoff and the one that has
the problem which is in 100% perlite came out a bit stinky and the ph was 6.5...then i checked anotha plant which is in a mix of perlite
and grow rocks and the runoff came out the same color, barely any smell, and ph at 8.0. now, this runoff water is from 2 days ago when i did a flush on all the plants [RO water but not ph'd cause didn't have the pen] that was left on the botom of the bucket, if that matters....

so far iv been feeding with nutes for about 2-3 weeks straight then do a flush and repeat the process but i'm starting to think i should change it, maybe feed-feed-water or something like that....dunno , we'll see.
at any rate, thx to all for the input, i'll let u kno how it goes.

**Matt Rize** · 06-30-2011, 11:34 PM

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**R3DROCk9** · 07-01-2011, 10:22 AM

beez, also up your PPM....plant based nutes are traditionally weak......around 2/3 the strength of their chemically synthesized counterparts.

**Matt Rize** · 07-02-2011, 12:51 AM

Originally Posted by R3DROCk9

beez, also up your PPM....plant based nutes are traditionally weak......around 2/3 the strength of their chemically synthesized counterparts.

I think that 1/3 of the nutrition has to be processed via microbial nutrient cycling and therefore PBNutes appear to be weaker. But yeah, they are way thicker than chem nutes.

**SensiSoulJah** · 07-02-2011, 02:06 AM

Hey Matt - so I found one website selling Bio Terra Plus, however, unfortunately it cost more to ship the soil then the soil costs itself... What would you recommend I use instead? My first guess would be Roots? Gonna give the veganics thing a try... I've gotten some really good veganic grown buds from a local shop and I'm looking to grow the best medicine possible. Here's a list of stuff I got today - Kelp, dolomite lime, azomite, greensand, alaska humus, epsom salts, molasses, cal mag, hygrozyme, alfalfa meal, cotton seed meal, b1, marine mineral magic micro nutrient (I'm not sure if this has any animal products, I'll have to get back to you on that), Bountea. The majority were OMRI certified. As far as you know, if I used these supplements would I be growing veganics? Is there anything I should cut out? And most importantly, what base soil should I use? Any input is greatly appreciated, thanks for your time.

**SlightlyVaped** · 07-02-2011, 03:46 AM

Nice article Matt.

Is it possible for you to do the same test with a couple different strains?

My current set up is the 220, 190, 160, 45 and 25 as I found the same as you that a majority of good hash comes between the 160 and 45 screens. However, I have kept the 25 since I noticed when running all 8 bags that some strains (or maybe grower) would produce some extremely oily/melty hash.

Chem4 seems to be one of those strains that I find some good stuff in the lower bag, however I have also run different strains where the 25 was throw away or cooking grade (last run like this I think was PK but it was a little drier as well so that probably had something to do with it).

I would be curious to see if maybe a more indica dominant strain would produce different results across the different bags.