honey?

Originally Posted by howhighru

ya lets feed our plants diet coke so the acid will eat the roots..kewl...............lol

guess what coke has a ph of about 5 if diluted its less acidic than the grow ferts or ph down you use. He isnt saying go get a bottle and dump it on there he is saying mix in with your water 1/2 cup of coke to 1/2 gallon water or so...
so ya know if your worried about acids eating roots then you better stear clear of ferts.

Originally Posted by Leothwyn

I'm not at all interested in a pissing match with a kid on forum. I just brought molasses up because it's cheaper and it's supposed to have other minerals (not just carbs).
And, that was the main reason I brought it up - I wondered if honey had the minerals.
You're the one that got his panties in a wad about my post (which was me just trying to help) 'Fucking snake oil bullshit'.
Your last post was the first time you mentioned honey having so many micro nutrients. You DID NOT mention it in the post I responded to - you only explained how good it is to eat.

You must be a retard, the statement I made about bees collect from different plants to make honey should of given you an idea as to its organic make up.
Dont get it twisted I dont intend to have a pissing match but if you call me out and I fire back call it whatever the hell you want to call it.
And to further expand your basic knowledge heres a well known company that use honey http://www.discount-hydro.com/produc...d=624&navid=18

If you can't have a discussion without name calling, then yeah, you do sound like a kid with an inclination toward pissing matches.
How many flowers bees use does NOT show how many micro nutrients are available.

And the link you gave, talks about adding carbs. NO other minerals. Try again kid.

I'm still wondering if molasses adds minerals that honey does not. I don't claim to have the definitive answer, but I stand by my right to speculate. It's a legitimate question, and you responded with 'it's nothing but fucking snake oil bullshit'... and I'm the one that called you out? Sure. Unbunch your panties, and try to have a real discussion.

Originally Posted by ghostsamurai25

You must be a retard, the statement I made about bees collect from different plants to make honey should of given you an idea as to its organic make up.
Dont get it twisted I dont intend to have a pissing match but if you call me out and I fire back call it whatever the hell you want to call it.
And to further expand your basic knowledge heres a well known company that use honey http://www.discount-hydro.com/produc...d=624&navid=18

Originally Posted by Leothwyn

If you can't have a discussion without name calling, then yeah, you do sound like a kid with an inclination toward pissing matches.
How many flowers bees use does NOT show how many micro nutrients are available.

And the link you gave, talks about adding carbs. NO other minerals. Try again kid.

I'm still wondering if molasses adds minerals that honey does not. I don't claim to have the definitive answer, but I stand by my right to speculate. It's a legitimate question, and you responded with 'it's nothing but fucking snake oil bullshit'... and I'm the one that called you out? Sure. Unbunch your panties, and try to have a real discussion.

Im done with you, you called me out on a general statement I made about molases being snake oil, you took it personal and retorted with your nonsense. But lets put this to rest. Im sorry for the profanity, and fyi Im 29, far from a kid.
Heres a little more info on honey and its compounds.
What's in Honey?
Honey is a supersaturated sugar solution with approximately 17.1 percent water. Fructose is the predominant sugar at 38.5 percent, followed by glucose at 31 percent. Disac- charides, trisac -charides and oligosaccharides are present in much smaller quantities. Besides carbohydrates, honey contains small amounts of protein, enzymes, vitamins and minerals. Honey is known to be rich in both enzymatic and non-enzymatic antioxidants, including catalase, ascorbic acid, flavonoids and alkaloids. Although appearing only in trace amounts honey also contains about 18 different amino acids. Crane, E. 1976. "Honey: A Comprehensive Survey," Corrected edition. International Bee Research Association/Heinemann, London; Berenbaum, M., Robinson, G. and Unnevehr, L. 1995-1996. Antioxidant properties of Illinois honeys. University of Illinois.

I have had molases kill beautiful plants due to its reaction with the soil and the ph issues it causes. I will be trying honey this time around for the simple fact that it doesnt appear that it would give ph problems due to it being more natural and not a by product like molases.

soda that gas citric acid is bad for plants stunts your growth your just looking for carbs and complex surgers

If you were going to use any honey at all, you don't want anything processed. The best honey is really really dark. It looks like molasses almost. Anything light in color will be too refined to be any good.

Is it a substitute for molasses? Unknown, but I'm sure ppl would have used it long ago if it was good for gardening. pppl were quite organic 100 years ago.

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Now here is something honey is great for.... so it's possible...maybe. I found this on a gardening forum....


Honey seems to work great as a "rooting hormone" for any plants except those rooted from softwood - and even then you may have some success. I've used it on softwood cuttings of Cnidoscolus chayamansa ("Chaya") with great results. It's just that some fleshy softwoods (like African Violet, for example) can be rotted via increased bacterial activity spurred on by the honey's sugars in the soil.

The honey seems to have a bit of something resembling growth hormone already in it. As well, the viscous honey seals off the stem fibers, preventing immediate wilt from a sudden drop in vascular pressure, and also starts a bit of pinocystosis* ("cell-feeding") by giving the plant immediately available sugars. It's also nice that honey is also antibacterial, for a short while.

I just prepare the slip in my usual way, dip the end into honey poke a hole in the soil, drop the slip in and water *well*. Poking a hole first before planting is moderately important, as you will not want to disturb the honey coating.




You'll want to keep the cutting a bit on the wet side for a bit (if the plant will normally tolerate it, that is), otherwise the concentrated sugars in the honey, once absorbed, may crystallize and choke the plant cells and cause a rather mystifying, frustrating and *sudden* wilt and plant death.

All in all, I *much* prefer using honey over other commercially available preparations.

honey isn't bad for it molasses is better don't use soda pop cause of the carbonation idk if it's bad for plants but i can't see all the stuff in soda to be good (unless you use sprite) if anyones used sprite on your xmas tree you know what i mean sprite helps the tree drink i could see it doing the same for weed i'd do a can diluted in a gallon of water but like coke soda it may eat the roots (coca cola eats at your stomach put a rusty nail in coke and leave it sit for a few days then pull the nail out tell me you want that in your plant or even your body

but expert advice would say get a nice probably more expensive type of molasses
(but yes honey works fine too)

Honey is excellent for rooting clones in a bubbler or the sort, provides energy and protection with its natural sugars/antibodies. Roots in 7-10 days @ 78-85degrees. Haven't tried it as a nute tho.