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Old 06-06-2009, 12:50 PM
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Question Does pH Up/Down Kill Beneficial Bacteria??
I was just wondering if the use of pH up and down products will kill off the beneficial bacteria I am using? I'm talking standard pH stuff, not the natural pH crystals or whatever they are.

I spent money on a chlorine filter so I won't kill them with that, but I would hate to be wasting money on my bacteria if the pH stuff is killing them.

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all organisms have a PH they function best at. when it comes to beneficial bacteria find out what bacteria are in your mix then just look it up. i am sure you will find plenty of information because those organisms are usually studied by biologists and that information is curtual to work with them.
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bacteria is best around 5-7 ph fungi at 7
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Thanks for the replies. But that is not quite what I was asking.

I was more looking to see if using the pH products are going to kill off the bateria and fungi. I know the correct pH to run my nutes and soil at, I was just making sure that adding these products to my nute solution to get the correct pH isn't going to kill the stuff in my soil or nutes.

I talked to the guy at the local hydro shop and they said there isn't a problem using it.
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if it isn't all organic and there is a chance that the ph solution my have synthetic salts which will kill the microbes like salt on a snail so you should see whats in your product
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it seems the consensus over at the icmag organic forum is that ph up and down do indeed hurt the microlife. read the organics for beginners sticky, or the tea brewing sticky, for more info. burnone is a very knowledgeble guy who has done some research into the matter.

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if it isn't all organic and there is a chance that the ph solution my have synthetic salts which will kill the microbes like salt on a snail so you should see whats in your product
Are you talkin' about pool ph up & down? Unless you're drastically changing the pH, then many microbes will live.

Other thoughts...

- You don't often need to pay attention to pH at all when running an organic grow. Humates + lime and the microbeasties do the job. It's not like an "inorganic grow" where pH at the wrong place locks out nutes.

- Why buy a chlorine filter? You can air bubble the chlorine out the drinking water in most places, and pet stores sell DeChlor. DeChlor supposedly works on chloramine and other chlorine in the water. My teas smell like fart after 1 day using dechlor'd water so I assume it works.

- Also, some microbes are capable of breaking down salts. I just recycled ~40 gallons of used promix that should have had lotsa inorganic salts in it. I used Espoma Bio-Tone to incoculate the promix. So far, plants look happy.

- If you still want to pay attn to pH, then you can use cider vinegar to bring the pH down, and baking soda for up.

I don't mean to be a nit-picky asshole, I just don't want cha to spend extra cash and time on stuff you might not need.
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I disagree about not paying attention to PH in an organic grow. If it wasn't for my PH up PH down kit I would have lost several crops. I often found the micro life threw PH into the 8 and above range on their own.
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I am not growing organically. I grew with organics last time and just didn't get the results I get with the mineral nutrients so I went back to them.

I am not using pool pH up and down, it is Gen Hydro pH up and down.

And I do feed the organisms with AN Carbo Load and Hydro Honey from Humboldt Nutrients.
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