I got this mix, opinions?, water only.:)

All right. I mixed together 10 gallons of ocean forest and 10 gallons of organicare aeration mix. I then mixed coir and compost and manure in the amount of 10 gallons.

I got 30 gallons. This is gonna be for four seven gallon pots. They will veg for two months and flower for two, I hope. Anyway, to this grow mix I was going to add this:

RECIPE #1
If you want to use organic nutes like blood, bone and kelp...
Dry Ferts:
1 tablespoon blood meal per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of soil mix
2 tablespoons bone meal per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of soil mix
1-tablespoon kelp meal per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of soil mix or Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract as directed
1 tablespoon per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of Jersey Greensand to supplement the K (potasium) in the Kelp Meal and seaweed extract.
Mix all the dry ferts into the soiless mix well and wet it, but don't soak it with Liquid Karma and water @ 1 tbs./gal. Stir and mix it a few times a week for a week or two so the bacteria can get oxygen and break down the bone meal and make it available. And don't let the mix dry out, keep it moist and add water as needed. It'll also have time to get the humic acids in the Liquid Karma going and the dolomite lime will be better able to adjust the pH of a peat based mixture too.
With this recipe, all you need to do is add plain water until harvest.
When I'm working with seeds, I punch a hole in the bottom of 16 ounce cups and fill them with plain LC's Mix. Lightly wet the mix in the cups and germ one seed in each cup. At the same time I mix enough LC's mix along with the blood/bone/kelp to fill all the 3 gallon flower pots I'm going to use for the grow. After about two weeks, the seedlings and the blood/bone/kelp mix are ready. I transplant the seedlings into the 3 gallon pots and just add water until harvest.
When you go to flower and pull up the males, save the mix in the pots. It is ready to be used again immediately. Just remove the root ball and transplant another seedling into it.

I got this from another site. Any opinions? It looks pretty straight forward. However I am using potting soil and they recomended LC soiless mix or sunshine 1 or 2.

I think this would be great! I hope for some good advice. I am using BMO nutes right now, but in an apt, water only grow would be killer.

Dude, this is the most advanced mix I have ever heard of, are u using heat at all? Try composting your male plants into that AWESOME mix as well, thats what I do and I am very happy with the results.

Also, please pardon my ignorance, but I don't understand how the microorganisms can survive for a whole week without oxygen. I usually run an aerator in my tea 24/7

dirt clean said:

All right. I mixed together 10 gallons of ocean forest and 10 gallons of organicare aeration mix. I then mixed coir and compost and manure in the amount of 10 gallons.

I got 30 gallons. This is gonna be for four seven gallon pots. They will veg for two months and flower for two, I hope. Anyway, to this grow mix I was going to add this:

RECIPE #1
If you want to use organic nutes like blood, bone and kelp...
Dry Ferts:
1 tablespoon blood meal per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of soil mix
2 tablespoons bone meal per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of soil mix
1-tablespoon kelp meal per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of soil mix or Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract as directed
1 tablespoon per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of Jersey Greensand to supplement the K (potasium) in the Kelp Meal and seaweed extract.
Mix all the dry ferts into the soiless mix well and wet it, but don't soak it with Liquid Karma and water @ 1 tbs./gal. Stir and mix it a few times a week for a week or two so the bacteria can get oxygen and break down the bone meal and make it available. And don't let the mix dry out, keep it moist and add water as needed. It'll also have time to get the humic acids in the Liquid Karma going and the dolomite lime will be better able to adjust the pH of a peat based mixture too.
With this recipe, all you need to do is add plain water until harvest.
When I'm working with seeds, I punch a hole in the bottom of 16 ounce cups and fill them with plain LC's Mix. Lightly wet the mix in the cups and germ one seed in each cup. At the same time I mix enough LC's mix along with the blood/bone/kelp to fill all the 3 gallon flower pots I'm going to use for the grow. After about two weeks, the seedlings and the blood/bone/kelp mix are ready. I transplant the seedlings into the 3 gallon pots and just add water until harvest.
When you go to flower and pull up the males, save the mix in the pots. It is ready to be used again immediately. Just remove the root ball and transplant another seedling into it.

I got this from another site. Any opinions? It looks pretty straight forward. However I am using potting soil and they recomended LC soiless mix or sunshine 1 or 2.

I think this would be great! I hope for some good advice. I am using BMO nutes right now, but in an apt, water only grow would be killer.

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The recipe you posted is meant to be used with sunshine 1 or 2, or promix because those are pretty much just perlite, peat (base), bark/sand. So, other than whatever goodness the peat has, there isn't anything for the plant to eat because you add meals, greensand, rock phosphate, worm castings, etc. and/or feed the plant when watering. Your base of compost, manure, and FF each have nutrients in them already (obv).

It's also not really "water only" because you should be adding dechlorinated water, some worm castings, and molasses and not *just* water. Even as far as that goes, specific plants have different requirements. You may have to add nutrients down the road. Adding too much into your soil mix now will make it easier to nutrient OD seedlings, and small clones. I wouldn't try to grow seedings in your base + this discussed recipe. Oh, and you'll need to leave the mix sit for at least 2 weeks to get the stuff broken down.

I was given 40 gallons of used promix. I'm adding the following...
- 4 cups of each
blood meal, bone meal, kelp meal, greensand, dolomite
- 30 lbs worm castings
- perlite
- espoma bio-tone (it's what there is locally. it has bacteria, humates and all sorts of good shit in it)

Even using this, I figure I'll have to use some 8-0-0 organic sugar beat fertilizer, and the some 2-4-.5 fish emulsion later.

Why not just use your mix of FF and stuff and the bmo nutes w/o any more additives?

maybe, I am wondering if that mix is too complicate. I planned on starting some clones I got rooting right now in a mix of potting soil, earthworm casts, and coir. Light, on clones. Then I planned to transplant into the mixed soil. I hoped it would hold emough nutes then to finish.

dirt clean said:

maybe, I am wondering if that mix is too complicate. I planned on starting some clones I got rooting right now in a mix of potting soil, earthworm casts, and coir. Light, on clones. Then I planned to transplant into the mixed soil. I hoped it would hold emough nutes then to finish.

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Nah, its not too complicated unless you don't understand what ingredients are for. It's also not like you're putting in azomite, diatom powder, and rock phosphate.

I guess it's complicated compared to buying FF soil, and using it.

Maybe that would be enough to finish, but if you're looking for something fast you can cut the greensand. Greensand breaks down slowly...slower than bone meal.

How long would the rooted clones be in the mix? just for flowering or would you continue veg?

Looks like a good mixture. You may need to add more stuff in it though to get you through a whole grow (Bat guano). Check out Subcool's super soil mix. He puts a bunch of stuff in his soil.

yeah! Ty guys, this is good news. I was hoping that some good reveiws would show. I would love to just add castings teas.

I have the clones alost rooted. So in a few days they will go regardless into one gallon bags, like subcool, and veg under a tri band ufo until they show roots. Then I will take my "super soil" and use it like sub does. I was using this mixture as it is almost like subs but for smaller mixing numbers. I figured out cub cools recipe for smaller mixes once but I did not see where the K came from. So I am using this mix. Looks the same otherwise.

I had already boght the kelp meal and I was a little bummed if I could not use it. I was gonna do just one like this, but with the ease of just water and the fact the plants can grow whenver they want, this sees like the best choice to jump right into.

So I will mix about 28 gallons of this up, and then hope it works.

Keep us updated. Sounds great.

Yeah, I think I am going to go light on the N as the fox farm and organicare are ferted already and I am going to heavier on P and also add some guano I have laying around. Subcool pretty much doubles P in his recipe. Notice I have also added some K.

So blood, bone, kelp, + whatever guanos I alrady have. I have just learned that guano is really bad for bats, plus my health as dust, so save the bats for a little luck

Ps, azomite I also have on hand but I figure that the pro mixes covered that with their leonardite and other things. Azomeite is on ebay and fairly easy to use on my other mixes. Rock phosphate I would love to try. I hear it gives good yeilds.

You did not write down the whole recipe its not just for pro mix.


Here are two very good organic soiless mixes...

LC's Mix is great for any stage of growth. You can germ seeds in it, grow mothers in it, root clones in it as well as veg and flower in it.

LC’s Soiless Mix #1:
5 parts Canadian Spaghnam Peat or Coir or Pro-Moss
3 parts perlite
2 parts wormcastings or mushroom compost or home made compost
Powdered (NOT PELLETIZED) dolomite lime @ 2 tablespoons per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of the soiless mix.
...Wal-Mart now sells worm castings.

Or, if you use Pro Mix or Sunshine Mix...
LC's Soiless Mix #2:
6 parts Pro Mix BX or HP / Sunshine Mix (any flavor from #1 up)
2 parts perlite
2 parts earthworm castings
Powdered (NOT PELLETIZED) dolomite lime @ 2 tablespoons per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of the soiless mix.
If you use a 3 qt. saucepan as “parts” in the amounts given above, it equals about 1 cu. ft. of soiless mix and you can just dump in a cup of powdered dolomite lime.
But, a "part" can be anything from a tablespoon to a five gallon bucket. Just use the same item for all of the "parts".

Now for the plants organic food source

Choose one of these organic plant food recipes to add to LC's Soiless Mix.

RECIPE #1
If you want to use organic nutes like blood, bone and kelp...
Dry Ferts:
1 tablespoon blood meal per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of soil mix
2 tablespoons bone meal per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of soil mix
1-tablespoon kelp meal per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of soil mix or Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract as directed
1 tablespoon per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of Jersey Greensand to supplement the K (potasium) in the Kelp Meal and seaweed extract.
Mix all the dry ferts into the soiless mix well and wet it, but don't soak it with Liquid Karma and water @ 1 tbs./gal. Stir and mix it a few times a week for a week or two so the bacteria can get oxygen and break down the bone meal and make it available. And don't let the mix dry out, keep it moist and add water as needed. It'll also have time to get the humic acids in the Liquid Karma going and the dolomite lime will be better able to adjust the pH of a peat based mixture too.
With this recipe, all you need to do is add plain water until harvest.
When I'm working with seeds, I punch a hole in the bottom of 16 ounce cups and fill them with plain LC's Mix. Lightly wet the mix in the cups and germ one seed in each cup. At the same time I mix enough LC's mix along with the blood/bone/kelp to fill all the 3 gallon flower pots I'm going to use for the grow. After about two weeks, the seedlings and the blood/bone/kelp mix are ready. I transplant the seedlings into the 3 gallon pots and just add water until harvest.
When you go to flower and pull up the males, save the mix in the pots. It is ready to be used again immediately. Just remove the root ball and transplant another seedling into it.

RECIPE #2
If you want to use guano in your soil mix...
Bongaloid's Guano Mix.
Use all these items combined with one gallon of soil mix.
1/3C hi N Guano (Mexican Bat Guano)
1/2C hi P Guano (Jamaican or Indonesian Bat Guano)
1TBS Jersey Greensand
1TBS Kelp Meal


RECIPE #3 (My favorite)
If you want to use guano tea and kelp...

Guano Tea and Kelp:

Seedlings less than 1 month old nute tea mix-
Mix 1 cup earthworm castings into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
Add 5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses.
Use it to water your seedlings with every 3rd watering.

Veg mix-
1/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano (PSG)
1/3 cup High N Bat Guano (Mexican)
1/3 cup Earth Worm Castings (EWC)
5 tsp. Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
(That makes the "dry mix". You can make all you want and save it to use later.)
Mix with water @ 1 cup of dry mix into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
To that 5 gallons of tea add:
5 tbs. Liquid Karma
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
Use it to water with every 3rd watering.

Flowering nute tea mix:
2/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano
2/3 cup Earth Worm Castings
2/3 cup High P Guano (Indonesian or Jamaican)
5 tsp. Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
(That makes the "dry mix". You can make all you want and save it to use later.)
Mix with water @ 2 cups of dry mix into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
To that 5 gallons of tea add:
5 tbs. Liquid Karma
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
Use it to water with EVERY watering.

You can use queen size knee high nylon stockings for tea bags. 3 pair for a dollar at the dollar store. Tell 'em you use them for paint strainers. Put the recommended tea in the stocking, tie a loop knot in it and hang it in your tea bucket. The tea should look like a mud puddle. Agitate the bag in the water vigorously. An aquarium pump and air stone will dissolve oxygen into the solution and keep the good bacteria (microherd) alive and thriving. Let it bubble a day or two before you use it. If you find you are making too much tea and having to throw it out, use 2 1/2 gallons of water and cut the nute amount by half.


RECIPE #4
Three Little Birds Method
40 gallons used soil
4 cups alfalfa meal
4 cups bone meal
4 cups kelp meal
4 cups powdered dolomite lime
30 pound bag of earthworm castings . . .
That’s the basic recipe . . .
However we also like to use
4 cups of Greensand
4 cups of Rock Phosphate
4 cups of diatomaceous earth


RECIPE #5
Fish and Seaweed (This is sooo easy)

For veg growth…
1 capful 5-1-1 Fish Emulsion
1 capful Neptune's Harvest 0-0-1 Seaweed or Maxicrop liquid
1 gallon H2O

For early flowering…
1 tbs. Neptune’s Harvest 2-3-1 Fish/Seaweed
1 gallon H2O

For mid to late flowering…
1 tbs. Neptune’s Harvest 2-4-1 Fish
1 gallon H2O



Hope this helps

yeah and I have learned a lot since then. I am now preparing to run my own amended peat moss mix. I accidentally posted it in the setup section.

I might also add some peace of mind bulb food for fun to see if the added K has any effect. 3-8-8.