Bio Biz. - Page 2

babygro · #11 06-13-2007, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by morp

im usin bio bizz topmax and bloom, and it seems to work okay. never seems to burn the ladies, even at 0.5ml per litre. i like it

You won't burn anything with Topmax, because it doesn't contain very high conentrations of nutrients. You can and will with Bloom and Grow though, so be careful with those.

Ideally you should be measuring the EC of your tapwater and adding nutrients so they don't push the EC over about 0.8-1.0 which is about the safe level to fertilise at.

want_my_ink · #12 06-13-2007, 12:17 PM

I use this line of products myself. I noticed a difference in the first two weeks of use, in both rooms. I'm very pleased so far, and I like the fact that it is organic.

jamie cashmore · #13 06-20-2007, 11:20 AM

to be fair mate, what i said about the light was half in jest, most people understood that. As for the rate of photosythesis......top max as well as other things, inceases the amount of sugar in the plant, similar to sweet leaf. The whole purpose of photosynthesis is to produce carbohydrate, a sugar. So if the plants sugar or carbohydrate level is increased, then photosynthesis must have either a, increased, b, been made more efficent or c, well i dont need a c, cause a and b were so good. point is, i use more water when using a stimulator, i was just passing this on.

babygro · #14 06-22-2007, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jamie cashmore

As for the rate of photosythesis......top max as well as other things, inceases the amount of sugar in the plant, similar to sweet leaf.

More rubbish. No it doesn't.

Plants cannot uptake sugars directly. Did you understand that? Shall I say it again for you? Plants cannot uptake sugars directly. Did you understand that this time?

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Originally Posted by jamie cashmore

The whole purpose of photosynthesis is to produce carbohydrate, a sugar.

Correct.

"Light equals energy to green plants. Special organs in each cell called chloroplasts gather the energy from visible light, mostly in the red and blue spectrums. Chlorophyll found in the chloroplasts uses the light to power chemical reactions. In a complex reaction the energy is used to cleave carbon dioxide (CO2) and water (H2O) molecules and recombine them to create sugar. (The formula is 6(H2O) 6(CO2) = C6H12O6 (sugar) 6O2 (oxygen)). Sugar is used as a food source by cells to fuel metabolism in addition to being used as a building block. The more light marijuana receives, the more energy it has to produce sugar and grow."

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Originally Posted by jamie cashmore

So if the plants sugar or carbohydrate level is increased, then photosynthesis must have either a, increased, b, been made more efficent or c, well i dont need a c, cause a and b were so good.

Unfortunately, you do need a c, because a and b are both wrong, because plants cannot uptake sugars directly, the only sugars they have are made via photosynthesis, not by uptake via the roots. The sugars are not in a chelated form for ready uptake by the plant.

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Originally Posted by jamie cashmore

point is, i use more water when using a stimulator, i was just passing this on.

It may well be increasing the rate of photosynthesis, but not for the reasons you give, as, I'll say it again, plants cannot uptake sugars directly, they're not in a chelated form.

It's the same problem as with Molasses, very few people actually understand what Molasses does for the plant. Most people think like you do, that it feeds on the sugars, it doesn't, the sugars are there to feed the micro organisms that live in the soil, it's these that improve plant nutrient uptake and in turn increased water consumption via photosynthesis, not the uptake of the sugars by the plant itself.

Think about this. If the plant could uptake sugars directly and receive it's sugar content like any other nutrient, why would it need to photosynthesise at all?

want_my_ink · #15 06-23-2007, 10:52 AM

Thanks babygrow, very explained.

morp · #16 06-24-2007, 06:18 AM

i dont think jamie was saying that topmax contains sugars which the plant absorbs through its roots, he was simply saying that through its use there will be more sugar created by the plant itself due to the increased rate of photosynthesis..

babygro · #17 06-24-2007, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by morp

i dont think jamie was saying that topmax contains sugars which the plant absorbs through its roots, he was simply saying that through its use there will be more sugar created by the plant itself due to the increased rate of photosynthesis..

Well I don't 'buy' this myself. As far as I'm concerned, Topmax does not increase the rate of photosynthesis. The rate of photosynthesis is governed by three things - light, water and co2.

It's my understanding that Topmax is a 'cation exchange' product. Cation exchange is essentially the science of nutrient retention and availability to the plant. What Topmax does therefore, is enable the plant to uptake more nutrients than it would do without its use and it's this that assists in the plants production of sugars, but not by affecting the rate of photosynthesis - that remains the same.

The bottom line therefore is that Topmax allows you to force feed the plant more nutrients in an attempt to produce bigger and fatter flowers.

This (in my opinion, and it is only my opinion) goes against the primary principles of organic growing and that is to allow the plant to grow naturally - taking whatever nutrients it needs at whatever time it needs them. Natural, organically grown weed, tastes and burns way better than any force fed hydro bud, which is the primary reason for growing organically in the first place.

Topmax therefore is Biobizz's organic answer to the plethora of bud booster products on the market - just because it masquerades under the label of 'organic' doesn't mean you have to be taken in by the deception.

Companies like Biobizz, Canna and Advanced Nutrients, who make products clearly aimed at the home growing market, want your money more than anything - this industry is huge and is very competitive, don't be taken in by their hype and 'promise' of bigger fatter flowers.

Advanced Nutrients Carboload is basically just Molasses but at about 20 times the price, Canna brought out Bioboost, so Biobizz brought out Bioheaven - Caveat Emptor mate.

beenthere donethat · #18 06-24-2007, 01:03 PM

Topmaxx contains 30% humic acid...fwiw.

babygro · #19 06-24-2007, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by beenthere donethat

Topmaxx contains 30% humic acid...fwiw.

And what does humic acid do if not increase plant nutrient availability and uptake?

edsthreads · #20 06-25-2007, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by babygro

Rubbish.

I've used Topmax in combination with Biobizz Grow and Bloom and I've grown with just Grow and Bloom and to be honest there was very little difference between them. This is pretty consistent with what others have experienced with Topmax, the jury is still out as to whether it has any positive influence at all. Topmax is similar to Grow in that it contains sugar beet extract and a fair amount of sugar.

I probably won't be bothering too much with Topmax in the future.

More rubbish.

Topmax does NOT increase the rate of photosynthesis, it's a bloom and flowering stimulator which is supposed to help put weight on the buds not a boost accelerator like BioHeaven.

Topmax works in a very similar way to the way Molasses works and it would be pointless in my opinion of using them both together. As molasses is significantly cheaper than Topmax, it proves a good alternative.

If you're happy with Topmax fine, I see very little benefit of using it because I see little difference when using it, but you shouldn't mislead people with wrong information.

I'm glad you sorted that one out babygro I have just ordered some bio-bizz grow & bloom coz I wanted to do a 'organic' grow & I was fretting about if I had to order the this Topmax stuff... So, I can just use maple syrup or golden syrup as a 'alternative' to the Topmax? I have never used mollasses but will be giving it a go during grow#2