I disagree with bagseed not being a good choice to start out. In all likelihood unless you do some really good reading before you start your grow you will fail. You'll end up burning your plants, trying crazy things to remedy them, and then unfortunately ended with premature bud or nothing at all. Before you spend money on good genetics I would make sure that you can successfully grow it out first. Sometimes you get lucky on your first grow, I did but that was only through lots of reading. I seen what I could do with bagseed then once I seen how easy it was with using some common sense I bought some seeds. Also being able to seperate males from females early I think is critical if your lacking in the space department. We can agree to disagree on this Video, but I wouldn't spend my money on seeds (unless of course I had money growing out of my ass) ( or there was a local shop nearby). He did already say in the beginning of the thread that money was an issue. If that's the case I would invest more of my funds in the setup of the op, kind of like he's doing now with nutes. I would do the bone meal and blood meal, they are cheap and easy to use. Just don't over do it. Good luck.

We will have to agree to disagree on this one SmokerE, I never had much luck with bag seed myself, and too many people end up with hermies too.
It would be a shame to advise someone to do all that work for nothing.
Besides there are some real deals to be had on seeds, if you look.
Peace

It doesnt matter how strong your nutes are, if you go for soil or hydro, the plants will only manage to cope with so much anyway.

So say you get something that looks week on the packaging, say for example its grow 5-3-4 or something like that.

There is another one that measures, 20-15-15.

Now while the second one looks better because it looks its a lot stronger you might think its going to be better.

Because you can only give it so much of any of the elements before you burn it, you wont really be making the use of those extra nutes.

What you should be going for is the best nutes, what nutes are best used by the plant. The way to bumper yields from your crops is by giving it what it needs not as much as you can, giving it as much as you can is going to give you a much smaller yield, i.e. 0 because your plant will be dead.

You said it yourself...you never had much luck with bagseed. I take it you didn't buy something before the "mazar". So then my assumption is you "tried" bagseed 1st. This gave you some insight to growing prior to the "mazar" experience.

Infowarrior, there's a high nitrogen guano and high phosphorus guano available and both are completely organic. From what I understand worm castings are wonderful and they're pretty cheap. If you have organic soil plus extra worm castings and then just add the nitrogen for veg and phosphorus for flowers you'd probably make it and get 90% of the quality someone that went "over-the-top" gets. You're probably talking an extra $50 for that. It seems to make sense to also consider something that adds the potassium, calcium, and enzymes but good soil from the start may have enough. Anyway, I think the point some people are trying to make is that you don't need the nitrogen and phosphorus "bombs", just a consistent supply of good stuff that your plant can feed off. If you were body building for instance and ate a 24 ounce steak in the morning you'd have tons of protein at that moment but not later when you needed it. I know that's an odd example but anyway. With those guanos you can mix it with your water or lay in the the top soil and it dissolves into the soil when you water.

how does 8-12-6 sound is that any good? cuz thats what im using. also that my soil has alot of natural nutes. what do you guys think?

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The Doc

If it's 8-12-6 it doesn't sound like it's 100% Organic, is it organic?

In either case, that's quite high in Phosphorous so go easy with it and start out at least 1/4 recommended dosage, you can always increase it if you need to.

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it says 43% organic base on itso i guess its got some chems in it. ill go slow on it, thanks man

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i just bought a gallon of metanatural.

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oh yeah!?

well I just bought a bottle of water.... and a candy-bar