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Old 12-31-2008, 05:43 AM
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So here is what I know about Squanto, Samosett, and Massasoit. Oh and the Puritans.
Squanto was "assigned" by Massasoit to watch over the sorryass whites. In the process he showed them how they could add a herring (which the natives wouldn't eat. Considered it a trash food) to the planting of corn, and probably other plants to. (POT?).

They had pulled into port on DEC. 21, 16 whatever 20. And stayed on the boat till spring. Half (52 out of 104), of the puritans died that first winter.

At that point Massasoit should have maasacred them all right then and there. I bet he would've to if he knew that earlier contact with trappers and fishermen from Europe were the cause of 80% of his tribal domain dying from smallpox. And Samosett being the only survivor from his region for the same reason.
Here's another interesting item. Lobster was also considered trash food. After a storm farmers would drive the pigs down to shore to feed them lobsters. Prisoners of the time were given lobster 3 times a week. I would be hard pressed to bury a lobster with any seed.
Thanks DB! I knew this was all well documented. I got my facts wrong, except the important one. There was/is a tradition of using fish as ferts.
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In the process he showed them how they could add a herring (which the natives wouldn't eat. Considered it a trash food) to the planting of corn, and probably other plants to. (POT?).
Smart Natives! They probably did not know this but after humans the greatest threat to the yummy fish, N. Atlantic Cod, are adult herring, they prey on the baby cod. Big Cod prey on Herring....but there are no big cod left! The fishery has collapsed.

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Facts, Fiction & Name Calling... This thread has it all......
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OK.. I agree the native americans were wise and good stuarts of the land. I like the fact, they gave back as they took. Always thinking long term......
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I imagine the soil food web, was much better back then. Lot's of happy health micro-beasties... chewing it up and pooping it out. Lot's of good rich soil, devoid of harsh chemicals & toxins. Man could I have grown some 20 foot, Extra-Chronic Ganja Trees...back then.
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Now to the present.... I would not put any dead animal in a pot and plant into that pot. It invites pests, would stink like a sewer and probably yield very little NPK value.
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Fish meal & Fish emulsions are great fertilizers when used with restraint. You can over do anything, if you use the more is better attitude. It's not.... feeding Mary low, slow and steady is the way to go.
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put the fish in a blender FIRST............................................. ..
LOL! You gotta admit, that's funny. As long as it's a fish that has already kicked it.

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The point of burying the fish with the corn was to amend the soil for the future,
This is what you're missing. When the indians buried fish carcasses in the ground, it was to fertilize for NEXT YEARS CROPS. I don't think you would reap any benefits from it until it had the necessary time to break down.
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LOL! You gotta admit, that's funny. As long as it's a fish that has already kicked it.



This is what you're missing. When the indians buried fish carcasses in the ground, it was to fertilize for NEXT YEARS CROPS. I don't think you would reap any benefits from it until it had the necessary time to break down.
leave a fish on ur counter for a few days.THEN tell me it doesn't break down fast enough!

believe what you will; using fish carcases has a long history. You may believe that natives did this out of a devotion to stewardship, or for immediate delivery of nutes. The FACT is it was (and is)done.

I really think a lot of the reaction to this thread is a desire distance ourselves from natural processes, and to believe that we are somehow necessary to these processes. we are not.

I don't suggest the corpse method, I advise you to use fish emulsion. now i'll fall off my soap-box.

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I'm sure if you leave a fish on your counter for a few days it will start to rot and smell a bit, but it won't render anything you can use for fertilizer for quite a while. I think you hit your head when you fell off your soap-box if you believe otherwise. LOL! I'm done for tonight folks. Happy New Year to everyone!
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With respect to the PETA folks out there, has anyone ever tried burying a goldfish or two in the potting soil for fertilizer? Seems like as they "go", they would do a good job of providing time release nutrients for the plant. Might smell a little, but that part could come in handy too. Also since this is my first post on this forum let me say howdy to everyone here. Hopefully I will have something to contribute to the board in a few months, but in the mean time thanks for taking the time to read this post and if you have tried this method before or know someone who has, please share your experience with us. Thank you
I tried this but the aquarium lights messed up the roots.
The fish protein breaks down to Nitrogen.
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The fish protein breaks down to Nitrogen.
Everything living that dies eventually breaks down into Nitrogen. In science it is called the Nitrogen cycle. Plant/animal dies, decomposes, nitrifying bacteria break it down, plants use it, some is released into the atmosphere (plants can not use this) animals eat the plants defecate, die , decompose....

OK I get an "A" on my nitrogen cycle quiz!

But seriously don't put Grandma, Nemo, or your turds on your plants until they compost...and not on your kitchen counter!

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(plants can not use this)

'cept them legumes.
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'cept them legumes.
must.....rock....BOAT!
Ok yes, they make a deal with nitrogen fixing bacteria that trade fixed nitrogen for plant sugars through the nodules they create in the root system of the host plant. not all plants can do this but Lupines do. The good thing is the presence of these plants improves the surrounding soil benefiting the plant community as they fix more nitrogen than is used by the host plant.

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