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I have been using BMO This is my first grow...They seem to be doing well...3 weeks into flowering the leaves are getting resin crystals forming on the leaves. The order was shipped right away. It got delayed by the post office and BMO put a trace on the order without me making a complaint. I thought that was reputable.
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Default BMO Nutes - Not Registering on TDS Meter
Anyone got the answer as to why my BMO nutes are not registering on my tri-meter or a tds meter? I ordered the bloom and foliar nutes and no matter the dose the nutes are not being registered. So how do i properly take ec/ppm readings?


I Added 15ml - nothing ok maybe a 15-20ppm swing, next added 15ml more pretty much the samething - nothing
WHATS THE DEAL????????????
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Anyone got the answer as to why my BMO nutes are not registering on my tri-meter or a tds meter? I ordered the bloom and foliar nutes and no matter the dose the nutes are not being registered. So how do i properly take ec/ppm readings?


I Added 15ml - nothing ok maybe a 15-20ppm swing, next added 15ml more pretty much the samething - nothing
WHATS THE DEAL????????????
do u have anything else u can check it with? IF its reading other products, i would email BMO with this question....
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do u have anything else u can check it with? IF its reading other products, i would email BMO with this question....

I have two meters a tri-meter that reads ph, temp, ec, and ppm, and the second meter is a tds meter.

So yea on two different meters the product is not registering. so you dont have this problem? 1st i thought it was because it is an organic nute but from your response your product registers?
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I have two meters a tri-meter that reads ph, temp, ec, and ppm, and the second meter is a tds meter.

So yea on two different meters the product is not registering. so you dont have this problem? 1st i thought it was because it is an organic nute but from your response your product registers?
i dont hydro. look for ohsogreen on RIU, he would probably have an answer for you.
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For soil use - mix one ounce ( 2 tablespoons ) of Super Plant Tonic to one gallon of (chlorine free) water. The NPK value is 1.25-.4-.9 Pour into soil at the rate of one quart (mixed) to each gallon of soil in containers, and for in ground use - do not exceed one gallon per plant (weekly). Example: 4 gallons of soil in a container - requires one mixed gallon of Super Plant Tonic per week - or less. For soil this works out to 16 gallons of mix at regular strength or 32 gallons at half strength per bottle.

no i dont check the PH of BMO. I check the water i mix it in. I prefer doing the bubbler method. I make a mix of around four gallons then with my bubble wand or fish tank bubbler, i mix for at least 4 to 5 hours. then apply. But you can simply follow their website directions and have no problems.
http://stores.ebay.com/Blue-Mountain-Organics

you wouldn't half the dosage then build up when you first start using it? because most ferts give the recommended dose then everyone says at least half that, and i just need to know if it's the same with BMO or just use their dosings they recommend?
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Anyone got the answer as to why my BMO nutes are not registering on my tri-meter or a tds meter? I ordered the bloom and foliar nutes and no matter the dose the nutes are not being registered. So how do i properly take ec/ppm readings?


I Added 15ml - nothing ok maybe a 15-20ppm swing, next added 15ml more pretty much the samething - nothing
WHATS THE DEAL????????????
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Plantman969..... Your TDS meter will not help with organic ferts. I used to do chem / hydro years ago. When I made the switch, I too thought what the hell.....???? but organics are different.
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First, the BMO stuff is missing the heavy metals / inorganic mineral salts you find in most chem only nutes (both of those are highly conductive). Next, their mixes are alive. Large concentrations of live bacteria & fungi, freak out the average EC or TDS meter. TDS or EC readings will not provide a true measure of nute value of organic ferts.
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So basically, you can use your meter to check the quality of the water prior to mixing, but after that forget-a-bout-it....... Just mix it like it says on the label and give your plants one quart of the mixed up fertilizer per gallon of soil, per week.
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I would not foliar feed during flowering. Trichromes are like velcro. You could use the foliar mix with the flowering mix to add N.
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I've always felt BMO's flower fert was too light in the N dept., but the foliar fert mixed in with the flower, makes it just right. Probably no concidence there. Before they starting selling the foliar, I just mixed a 1/4 strength of their grow fert in with the flower power.
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Plantman969..... Your TDS meter will not help with organic ferts. I used to do chem / hydro years ago. When I made the switch, I too thought what the hell.....???? but organics are different.
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First, the BMO stuff is missing the heavy metals / inorganic mineral salts you find in most chem only nutes (both of those are highly conductive). Next, their mixes are alive. Large concentrations of live bacteria & fungi, freak out the average EC or TDS meter. TDS or EC readings will not provide a true measure of nute value of organic ferts.
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So basically, you can use your meter to check the quality of the water prior to mixing, but after that forget-a-bout-it....... Just mix it like it says on the label and give your plants one quart of the mixed up fertilizer per gallon of soil, per week.
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I would not foliar feed during flowering. Trichromes are like velcro. You could use the foliar mix with the flowering mix to add N.
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I've always felt BMO's flower fert was too light in the N dept., but the foliar fert mixed in with the flower, makes it just right. Probably no concidence there. Before they starting selling the foliar, I just mixed a 1/4 strength of their grow fert in with the flower power.
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Hope this helps.....
Keep it Real....Organic.......
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I grow in DWC not soil and use the full botanicare "Organic" line - I know they are not true organics but from armlenghts post there should be some sort of readings on the meters.


"I would not foliar feed during flowering. Trichromes are like velcro. You could use the foliar mix with the flowering mix to add N."

What do you mean? Dont foliar feed during flower Tricomes are like velcro.

This statment makes no sense you have provided a statment with nothing to back it. Because they are like velcro what does this have to do with foliar feeding?

The only reason not to foliar feed during flowering is to avoid burnig plants, keep humidity down which in turn helps prevent mold.

I spry my plant at least twice a day opposit of what hey get in the rez for the day. - If i add plain ph regulated water they get sprayed with additives if i add NPK nutes i spray with plain water and if i add my additives then spay with NPK nutes. Also if you are noticing deficincy problems load up a spray bottle with the given nute deficincy and spray on your babies. I even spray in mid day with lights on. Just make sure to use a good mister, Key word MISTER not just any spray bottle. I just add a little silica blast to the mix and watch as the plants literally absorb the water from the top and bottoms of the plants.
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I grow in DWC not soil and use the full botanicare "Organic" line - I know they are not true organics but from armlenghts post there should be some sort of readings on the meters.

Seems you have all the anwsers. So why are you asking ?
It's because you don't know.
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Do enough research on Organic Ferts and you will learn.

The inorganic elements (heavy metals & processing acid residue) in the Botanicare are what are giving you the higher TDS / EC readings, not the true value of NPK, which can only be tested chemically.


NO METER in the WORLD can give you a readout / measurement of NPK value. Surely you didn't think your meter could tell you nute value. The ppm recommendations from fert makers are based on a known NPK value (determined by chemical testing), with a given measure of conductive elements (of which many are inorganic salts or metals, which do Mary not one bit of good).
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"I would not foliar feed during flowering. Trichromes are like velcro. You could use the foliar mix with the flowering mix to add N."

What do you mean? Dont foliar feed during flower Tricomes are like velcro.

This statment makes no sense you have provided a statment with nothing to back it. Because they are like velcro what does this have to do with foliar feeding?

Once again, you think you know.

The BMO foliar mix has bacteria added to it, to enhance it. Do you really want to spray bacteria onto your trichromes (their sticky (like velcro) & they will act as a food source for them) and have them degraded by these bacteria.

These bacteria are excellent for growth in a medium - that's why products like Sub-Culture, Mcyo Magic, Plant Success...etc.. sell so well.

This mix is great during veg growth and when watered / mixed into your medium, wheter it is soil, coco, or water (hydro). I don't shit where I eat or spray bacteria onto my Trichromes......just weeks prior to harvest........

The only reason not to foliar feed during flowering is to avoid burnig plants, keep humidity down which in turn helps prevent mold.

No, not true. I'd share more with you, but a closed mind can not accept additional info.

I spry my plant at least twice a day opposit of what hey get in the rez for the day. - If i add plain ph regulated water they get sprayed with additives if i add NPK nutes i spray with plain water and if i add my additives then spay with NPK nutes. Also if you are noticing deficincy problems load up a spray bottle with the given nute deficincy and spray on your babies. I even spray in mid day with lights on. Just make sure to use a good mister, Key word MISTER not just any spray bottle. I just add a little silica blast to the mix and watch as the plants literally absorb the water from the top and bottoms of the plants.
Key words " Wise Up "..... you do not know as much as you think you do.

Stick a TDS meter in regular coffee, then stick one in decaf - did it tell you which one had caffeine. The same applies to fertilizers.... if you just want high reading, buy some toxic waste - it's full of NPK with massive EC / TDS numbers.... I bet that would impress you.
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You know as a rule, I really enjoy helping people. However, I'm not sure I have anymore for you.
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Your attitude will not serve you well here. We organic types don't associate with hostile, " I know it alls ".
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