Originally Posted by notoriousb

when you say to give only one quart per plant of the 2 oz per gallon Bloom boost you were mentioning, give them just a quart and no additional water? or give the quart per plant of the Bloom mix and then water more in addition to the fert?
much thanks
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Originally Posted by Ohsogreen

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Somebody041.... Organic nutes will register on pH meters. When you mix them up, they will change over time (either going up or down - a lot depends on the water you mix them with).
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You've probably heard that TDS meters don't help much with Organic Nutes, that is true. You can't read Organic Nutes with a TDS Meter like with chem nutes to determine feeding strengths.
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With organics, you have to follow the label on bottled stuff. Or if making your own, follow receipes already worked out by others through trial & error.
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For coco growing, you need your nutes in the 5 to 6 range of pH for best results. Shoot for the middle of that range and it's all cake.
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It helps a lot to read the pH of the runoff twice a week. Just take some water with a pH of 6 and pour it through until you get runoff. Take that runoff water and check the pH. Did the number go up or down from the pH of 6 your poured through ?
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If it went down, you can make a mild High P Bat Guano Tea and add it, instead of a pH up product.
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If it went up, you can make a mild High N Bat Guano Tea and add it, instead of a pH down product.
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You can use pH up & down products (in moderation) in organics, but I prefer to use amendments like guanos to balance things out. Use of pH up or down products from a bottle, as a general rule, equals the death of some micro-beasties (not all).
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Hope this helps....
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Originally Posted by GHOPZZ

ohso, where on your chart so i strat when beginning my flowering?? my plants are about 3.5ft tall? i have about 55days of flowering ahead of me, i just want to start it off right.

Originally Posted by somebody041

thanks so much ohso, once again you go above and beyond to help educate others.

i was not aware that you could use ph up and ph down products on organics. i have just been tossing 2 tbls dolomite lime per gallon of soil and haven't really been worrying about ph and haven't really had to (that's in soil by the way)

do you recommend "organic" ph up and down like earth juice's over the common brands like general hydroponics?

i also think i read on another board you recommend bubbling the water with ph up/down in it for 24 hours before using it for anything involving a microherd. is this because the bubbling of the water makes it easier for the beasties to handle?


sorry for all of the questions, but i've never been able to get a straight answer regarding organics and ph. on other boards (icmag) they do NOT recommend using ph up and down with teas and whatnot. but my hydro store is very knowledgeable and all workers insist that ph up and down is fine in teas.

Originally Posted by Ohsogreen

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NotoriusB.... Yes, just a quart of your beefed up bloom fert per plant and no additional water. Do this early in the morning before lights on or sun up for best results. No additional water or fertilzer of any kind to follow, that day.
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The ideal is to present a mild, but concentrated amount of fertilizer. The Flower Power (NPK 1-8-7) at 4 times the normal strength (2 oz to a gallon of water), makes an NPK of 4-32-28, which is a stout (one time bump), but not in the death zone.....
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Hope this helps....
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Originally Posted by notoriousb

Thanks again OhSo. always so thorough in your responses.
now I'm wondering if I should water heavily the day before or after I used the suped-up bloom mix? or just stick to my original schedule of feeding every 3rd watering and treat the strong bloom fert as just another regular feeding?
haha hope that makes sense
thanks man

Originally Posted by Ohsogreen

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NotoriousB... You're welcome. Just treat this one time "power shot", as a strong feeding, maintain your rotation / schedule of watering & feeding and it's all good.
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Originally Posted by Ohsogreen

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Just when adding pH up or down, it is best to bubble the water (you adjusted with the pH up or down) for an hour, to let the pH truly stablize, prior to adding ingredients. Sometimes a second adjustment is needed.
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After you have the water pH right, add your amendments and don't sweat it. Just bubble that tea for 24 or more and water it in.
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Hope this helps.....
Keep it Real...Organic.... or as close a possible.....
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