Bushmaster WORKS, period !! Gravity Works great too ! Pictures inside !

Originally Posted by Uncle Ben

Let's just cut thru the chase Hog, since you seem doomed to chase me from thread to thread like some cyber stalker nutjob every time I make a bonafide charge against your unethical and disgusting livelihood and the crap you hawk. I make a point to not argue with idiots like you nor will I exercise any "people skills" so you don't get your precious feelings hurt. It's a waste of my time. If I respect you for who you are and what you represent, clearly you won't find me an ass. Got it? Me and quality folk like DanielsG, Illumination, Riddleme, Brick Top and a host of others get along just fine.

Now, be a good little boy and delete your childish trash in my main cola topping thread. Uncle Ben's Topping Technique to Get 2 or 4 Main Colas

UB

The hydro industry is as about as corrupt as they come. Perhaps meth dealers have less ethics but let's face it even Monsanto looks good against these cretins. They've known for years they are selling highly suspect shit and continue to sell Superbud under the counter and now Bushmaster, Gravity, Phosphoload, Flower Dragon, Top Load, Boonter Bud (UK), Rox (UK), Rock Juice (Aus) and other such shit will just go under the counter so greedy scumbags can profit. Fact is though Uncle Ben there are some ethical hydro store owners but not many. Sunlight Supply are the pricks that have been pushing this garbage to the hydro industry and they are the largest wholesaler in the US. Then Ikon International has been peddling this garbage to the UK and Europe and they are the largest wholesaler in that part of the world. These pricks would try to tell you they have no idea what is in these products but then they are lying pond scum who know damned well what they are selling. Ikon used to sell Superbud when the shit hit the fan over that poison and they had to issue a recall. Then the pricks take on Flower Dragon years later from the same dirt bag who was selling them Superbud (ex Dutchmaster employee Steve Berlow). Oh yeah course they couldn't figure it out!?? Go figure!! Growers should boycott any company that is behind this shite. That simple.

Originally Posted by twisterbilly

The hydro industry is as about as corrupt as they come. Perhaps meth dealers have less ethics but let's face it even Monsanto looks good against these cretins. They've known for years they are selling highly suspect shit and continue to sell Superbud under the counter and now Bushmaster, Gravity, Phosphoload, Flower Dragon, Top Load, Boonter Bud (UK), Rox (UK), Rock Juice (Aus) and other such shit will just go under the counter so greedy scumbags can profit. Fact is though Uncle Ben there are some ethical hydro store owners but not many. Sunlight Supply are the pricks that have been pushing this garbage to the hydro industry and they are the largest wholesaler in the US. Then Ikon International has been peddling this garbage to the UK and Europe and they are the largest wholesaler in that part of the world. These pricks would try to tell you they have no idea what is in these products but then they are lying pond scum who know damned well what they are selling. Ikon used to sell Superbud when the shit hit the fan over that poison and they had to issue a recall. Then the pricks take on Flower Dragon years later from the same dirt bag who was selling them Superbud (ex Dutchmaster employee Steve Berlow). Oh yeah course they couldn't figure it out!?? Go figure!! Growers should boycott any company that is behind this shite. That simple.

Thanks for laying out the facts.

stupid poll, just look at the possible choices . . .

Now BUSHMASTER ! There's a firearm you can reach out & touch someone with, no poll needed.

Kind of makes me wonder what the bushmaster fanboys have to say about the turn this debate has taken.. silence is both golden and yet speaketh volumes. cheers

Originally Posted by collective gardener

...after all, I invented the LST technique. LOL.

Props on that but unfortunately it opened up a whole LED/UFO movement

Paclobutrazol has never been proven to be a carcinogen. daminozid (flower dragon) has.

Originally Posted by khakiman

Paclobutrazol has never been proven to be a carcinogen. daminozid (flower dragon) has.

This is not strictly true. The EPA states there is no data meaning that there is an unknown quantity associated to the use of PBZ. I.e.
_II. Carcinogenicity Assessment for Lifetime Exposure

Substance Name — Paclobutrazol
CASRN — 76738-62-0

This substance/agent has not undergone a complete evaluation and determination under US EPA's IRIS program for evidence of human carcinogenic potential.

And
_I.B. Reference Concentration for Chronic Inhalation Exposure (RfC)

Substance Name — Paclobutrazol
CASRN — 76738-62-0
Not available at this time.

And:

__I.A.3. Uncertainty and Modifying Factors (Oral RfD)

UF — Based on a subchronic exposure study, an uncertainty factor of 1000 was used to account for inter- and intraspecies differences and for the insufficient duration of the study to fully assess chronic effects.

MF — None

Seems to me there is a heap of things they don't know and a few they do know.

The thing is with a lot of chems some were once deemed safe and used for years before problems arose and it became apparent that what was thought safe was actually unsafe for use (eg. Agent Orange, DDT etc). There has also been no combustion tests or withholding period tests re cannabis with PBZ so really what you have is one big unknown factor. http://www.epa.gov/iris/subst/0182.htm Oh and its "Daminozide" which is listed as a "probable human carcinogen" and banned for use in any consumable crop in1989. Flower Dragon contains Daminozide as does Phosphoload and Top Load. Either way only a scum bag no nothing grower would use these products now knowing what they contain.

Good info friend.. I've been reading about mango tree farmers using pbz on the trees to achieve two harvests a year.. Hopeful y they are flushing it out somehow