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    The only thing that's been "invented" is more hype and bullshit from another hydro snake oil company out to make it rich off of gullible noobs.

    Dime a dozen.......

    Cannabis is pH tolerant. Never had a problem and I never check my pH.

    P and K boosters DO NOT "increase flower size and numbers". They often "decrease increase flower size and numbers" because they induce leaf necrosis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ben View Post
    The only thing that's been "invented" is more hype and bullshit from another hydro snake oil company out to make it rich off of gullible noobs.

    Dime a dozen.......

    Cannabis is pH tolerant. Never had a problem and I never check my pH.

    P and K boosters DO NOT "increase flower size and numbers". They often "decrease increase flower size and numbers" because they induce leaf necrosis.

    You left out the 'went done right' part. Everything, when done wrong is, wrong. Also, you should know that it's a LACK of those nutrients in the plant that causes necrosis. You should also know that it's directly tied to Calcium and Magnesium. This has been proven over and over again and it common knowledge to anyone that's studied horticulture for any amount of time.

    Do you have any studies, reports, or anything that confirm your hypothesis that P and K is not needed?

    Here ya go ben.. this is from a kids education website. Might be your speed.

    http://www.ncagr.gov/cyber/kidswrld/plant/nutrient.htm But, I'm sure they've been drinking the AN koolaid too huh?


    The primary nutrients are nitrogen (N), phosphorus (P), and potassium (K). These major nutrients usually are lacking from the soil first because plants use large amounts for their growth and survival.

    Soil pH (a measure of the acidity or alkalinity of the soil)

    Soil pH is one of the most important soil properties that affects the availability of nutrients.

    Macronutrients tend to be less available in soils with low pH.
    Micronutrients tend to be less available in soils with high pH.
    Lime can be added to the soil to make it less sour (acid) and also supplies calcium and magnesium for plants to use. Lime also raises the pH to the desired range of 6.0 to 6.5.
    In this pH range, nutrients are more readily available to plants, and microbial populations in the soil increase. Microbes convert nitrogen and sulfur to forms that plants can use. Lime also enhances the physical properties of the soil that promote water and air movement.
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    How about something from a Ph.D. ?? This guy on the AN payroll too?

    Potassium, A key Nutrient for Plant Growth by James McAfee , Ph.D.

    This issue discusses the importance of potassium as a key plant nutrient and problems
    associated with excess and/or deficiencies of potassium in the plant. Many plant
    physiologists consider potassium second only to nitrogen in importance for plant growth.
    Potassium is second to nitrogen in plant tissue levels with ranges of 1 to 3% by weight.
    As a trivia, potassium is the only essential plant nutrient that is not a constituent of any
    plant part. Potassium is a key nutrient in the plants tolerance to stresses such as cold/hot
    temperatures, drought, wear and pest problems. Potassium acts as catalysts for many of
    the enzymatic processes in the plant that are necessary for plant growth to take place.
    Another key role of potassium is the regulation of water use in the plant
    (osmoregulation). This osmoregulation process affects water transport in the xylem,
    maintains high daily cell turgor pressure which affects wear tolerance, affects cell
    elongation for growth and most importantly it regulates the opening and closing of the
    stomates which affect transpirational cooling and carbon dioxide uptake for
    photosynthesis.

    Unless truly deficiency occurs, potassium has very little effect on turfgrass quality such
    as color and density. However, once potassium deficiency occurs, it can have a dramatic
    affect on the plants ability to survive and function during stress periods such as high
    temperatures, drought and wear. Initial potassium deficiency shows up as yellowing of
    older leaf blades, lower leaf blades, which is then followed by dieback of the leaf tip and
    scorching of leaf margins as the deficiency problem becomes worse. Once these
    conditions occur, wear injury for the turf plants will increase significantly. Factors which
    can lead to potassium deficiency include: leaching in sandy soils or soils with low CEC
    values, sites being irrigated with water that is high in sodium and where high rates of
    calcium and magnesium or added through the irrigation water or through the fertilization
    program.


    There are four different sources of potassium in the soil. The largest soil component of
    potassium, 90 to 98%, is the soil minerals such as feldspar and mica. Very little of this
    potassium source is available for plant use. The second soil potassium source is the
    nonexchangeable potassium, 1 to lo%, and is associated with the 2: 1 clay minerals. The
    nonexchangeable potassium source acts as a reserve source of potassium in the soil. The
    third soil potassium source, 1 to 2%, is called the exchangeable or readily available
    potassium and is found on the cation exchange sites or in the soil solution. The soil
    solution potassium is readily taken up by the plants root system and is then replaced by
    the potassium on the exchange sites. A fourth source of potassium in the soil is the
    potassium contained in organic matter and within the soil microbial population. This soil
    source of potassium provides very little of the potassium needed for plant growth.
    Potassium uptake is most rapid on warm, moist soils that are well aerated and have a
    slightly acidic to neutral pH. As soil temperature increases, plant metabolic activity
    increases which increases root growth and root activity. Warmer soil temperatures
    also increase the diffusion rate of potassium in the soil solution which increases potassium
    uptake by the root system. Excess soil moisture can lower soil oxygen levels which in
    turn decrease the respiration rate for the plants root system and thus lowers potassium
    uptake. Also, excess water can increase the amount of leaching of potassium, particularly
    in sandy soils. In alkaline soils, increased levels of other cations such as calcium,
    potassium and sodium can affect the availability of potassium in the soil. The calcium
    and magnesium cations can displace the potassium from the exchange sites on the clay
    particles and sodium competes with potassium for uptake by the plants root system.
    Application of potassium fertilizer will be determined by factors such as soil potassium
    level, soil type, time of the year and use activity for the site. As with any nutrient,
    potassium programs should be based on soil test results.

    1. Sandy soils or soils with low cation exchange capacity (CEC), will require light
    frequent applications of potassium fertilizer as opposed to clay type soils with high to
    very high levels of potassium. Soils with high levels of other cations such as calcium,
    magnesium or sodium will also probably require more frequent, light applications of
    potassium. When applications of amendments and/or fertilizers containing high rates
    of calcium or magnesium are used, a follow up application of potassium should be
    made to the site since these cations can displace potassium from the soil exchange
    sites.

    2. As use of the site increases, so should the amount of potassium fertilization. During
    periods of heavy use, apply light, frequent applications of potassium to the soil.

    3. Spring and fall is the most important time of the year to make potassium fertilizer
    applications. In the spring, turfgrass plants are often developing a entirely new root
    system. Potassium is a key nutrient in the development of new root growth. In the
    fall, plant tissue levels of potassium are very critical in preparing the plants for winter
    survival. Low plant tissue levels in the fall to early winter months can dramatically
    increase the potential for winter injury to turfgrass plants.

    In summary, potassium is a key essential plant nutrient. Generally, clay soils in Texas
    contain more than adequate potassium to meet the turfgrass needs for home lawns and
    commercial properties. However, for sports fields and golf courses with increased
    activity and wear, it may be necessary to apply additional potassium in the fertilizer
    program to insure that turfgrass plants are obtaining adequate potassium uptake for
    healthy plant growth
    Let's not forget the granddaddy of them all... Alaska morbloom.. 0-10-10.. SNAKE OIL!!!! LOL O wait you mean that was before AN?? Fucking Lilly Miller assholes!!!!

    Too fucking funny!!!
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    My latest PGR experiment using Bonzi to control extreme sativa internode length. http://riddlem3.com/index.php/topic,...html#msg124925

    My current grow of TFD Haze and others has gone from an internode length of 5" to heavy bulking up with 1" internodes and alternative phyllotaxy.
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    Do you plan to run some experiments on the wheel or to see of the earth is flat? People have been using paclobutrazol for a long long time and no one has questioned it's effectiveness or that it's only for ornamental plants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eDude View Post
    Do you plan to run some experiments on the wheel or to see of the earth is flat? People have been using paclobutrazol for a long long time and no one has questioned it's effectiveness or that it's only for ornamental plants.
    Let's see your pix, or others for that matter detailing the application and results. Come on smart ass......I'm waiting.

    Gonna update that thread with clearer photos. Shots shown are group shots such that the image is cluttered. My bud at O.G., Erliquin, (the best hydro grower I've even known) swore by the stuff and wrote a thread on its use. Problem with the use of this PGR is how much is the right amount and it looks like I've nailed it. The ppm must be precise. The misuse of paclo (and other PGR's) can have disastrous results. Any time you mess with mama natur's hormones she's gonna "settle accounts".

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    Nice try.. You really need to work on your straw man building techniques. Why would anyone use a PGR on something they plan to consume? Can't you read? It's always been considered a risk to loaders and sprayers and no one would even think of using it on a consumable. You might as well ask me about how I use cyanide to brush my teeth. So, you go a head a hold your breath and keep waiting.

    Also, it's not a hormone.. it BLOCKS hormones (gibberellin) .. backwards again..
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    Quote Originally Posted by eDude View Post
    Also, it's not a hormone.. it BLOCKS hormones (gibberellin) .. backwards again..
    I never said it was a hormone, shit-fer-brains.

    If you could ever pull yourself away from Troll-It-Up and go to the Riddle thread where the real guys hang, you might learn something. Paclo is a PGR. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibberellin

    A known antagonist to gibberellin is paclobutrazol (PBZ), which in turn inhibits growth and induces early fruitset as well as seedset.
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    You, unlike me, have no experience with bud blood, or any thing like it. You have brought nothing to the thread. Yet here you are just barking a way..
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    Quote Originally Posted by eDude View Post
    You, unlike me, have no experience with bud blood, or any thing like it. You have brought nothing to the thread. Yet here you are just barking a way..
    WTF? You think I'm stupid and naive enough to use something that will work against me? bud blood (0-39-25) No N, ultra high P, are you kidding me? Based on over 40 years of growing and extensive knowledge and experience with plant nutrition, I'll tell you know what that food will induce - premature leaf drop and micro deficiencies, both crucial to plant health, as well as increasing the stretch.
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    The decision to buy and use a product is often determined by the skill of the salesperson not the efficacy of the product.

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