Nutes, lowryder?

hmmm123

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Ok so i have just been reading the box yet again for my nutes. This is what it says: "Indoor plants flourish with one small 1.25ml level spoonful of plant food mixed in 1 litre of water." So i was thinking if i fill a litre bottle full of water and only add half the amount it says to start with then water them as normal? Does that sound ok? Also do i give them the nutes everytime i water them or every 2 weeks like it says on the box? By the way the NPK is 24-8-16.
 

Ohsogreen

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Miracle Grow...Yuck....
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That has too much N for this stage of growth. You need a fertilizer with a lower N and a higher P. Something in the range of 1-5-5 to 2-10-10. Miracle Grow is chemically rendered fertilizer, made from the waste by-products of petroleum and methane. Yuck...
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Have you considered a Natural, Organic Fertilizer. You should, Organic grown buds, taste best.
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Look on Ebay under Organic Fertilizer. BMO has a great product called Super Plant Tonic, it boost root growth in a major way. That will really make your little ladies fill out. BMO also has Bat Guanos, which are excellant fertilizers & some new stuff. Or is Ebay is not your thing, check out Wormsway. They carry a good selection of nutes.
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It's never to late...to go Organic...
You will be glad you did....
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bonz

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i totaly agree on the organic stuff. i use pure blend pro. not organic based like most are but true organics. they are easier to use to learn to, harder to burn and screw it up, better taste. mg is not good for new growers but if thats all you can get i will post a schedule to follow for using the correct way. ignore the box.
 

bonz

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this is a bit of a read but learn it if you want that stuff to work. my honest opinion is to get rid of it though and get some real stuff for mj not wall mart plants.



due to resourses- must use Miracle grow (or schultz/Peters) Or Fish Ferts.


This Lists the BASICS needed to use most readily available Brands (and a few of the extras-- but there ARE more!) and both a weekly schedual (dirt & hydro IF you change the water weekly) and Phasic feeding for bubblers.
Phasic shedules can be followed for soil-- but do not work as well!

ALL MEASURES ARE PER U.S. GALLON...
Hope this helps!!!


EDITED NOTE FOR PHASIC FEEDINGS!!!
Unless your Nutes specific schedule tells you what to do for sprouting and seedling, you need to cut back on the nutes for that stage BEFORE youconsider it to be "phase one"
Week ONE is NOT as soon as they are sprouted and have leaves! Week one is after they have 4 sets of true leaves---
Start your new seedlings in JUST Ph adjusted water (can use hydrogard & superthrive)
When they get their 3rd set of leaves--add HALF of the amound called for in phase 1 of your phasic schedule--
When they open another 2 sets of leaves (fully!) then add the other 1/2 to bring it to the amount required for "Phase 1" this will greatly reduce the possibility of nute-burn or over feeding...and allows the babies to adjust to the nutes easier.
Thanx!


NOTE ABOUT FLUSHING!!!
If growing in Soil, you usually Start flushing (running clear water thru the soil to rince out the un-used nutes) 2 weeks prior to harvest. This is nessisary to force the plant to use it's stored nutes & protiens, that otherwise result in harsh or grassy product.
But flushing also OFTEN results in losing yield; since you will reduce the available nutrients to the plant during the last 2 weeks of growth when the plants usually put on the most weight.
Simply STOP Nuting at whatever week you are at when time to flush.
IF you use the Ememrgency flush method, follow the entire schedule until the plants are ready to harvest.

FOR MIRACLE GROW NUTES :

If you really MUST use Miracle Grow Nutes or Soil cuz there isn't anything else available (cost can't be a reason, MG is about the same price as some organics !)

THEN USE THIS GUIDE PLEASE!!!

(enough for 2-3 plants .. just use more jugs for more plants!)
Get regular miracle grow (Not tomato or Rose food or azalea formula!)
AND Blossom Booster (or Schultz Professional Bloom food)
get 2- 1 gallon jugs of spring water from the store (about $1 each)
and an empty jug. Mark them (A) (B) & (C) --- (B) is the empty jug!

in the 1st jug (A) mix the MG at 1/4 the recomended rate for indoor plants.

In the 2nd jug (C), mix at 1/2 stregnth for indoor plants.

pour 1/2 of both into the empty jug (B)

Now-- when your plants get their 3rd set of leaves, feed once every 10 days. Start with (A) for the 1st 2 feed... then (B).. and end-up with (C) the week before you go 12/12.

FLUSH YOUR PLANTS WITH 5 GALLONS OF CLEAR WATER BEFOR GOING 12/12!

MG builds up-- and will lock-up as you add the stronger bloom nutes!
as the final part of the flush-- pour in a couple pints of your new bloom nutes (see below)


Do the same with your bloom nutes, Mix ahead in larger amounts... BUT--mix Jug (A) at 1/2 rate, Jug (C) at full stregnth-- and (B) the 2 mixed.

Start with (A) the 1st day of 12/12, then again in 10 days,
then switch to (B). Do not switch to (C) until the week before you flush for harvest!
when the trichomes just start turning cloudy, give em their last dose. In 10 days, check the trichs again.. if not all cloudy, you can feed again-- But go back to (B)

MAKE SURE TO FLUSH WELL AND WAIT THE FULL 2 WEEKS TO HARVEST!

You need to flush all the Nitrogen and magnesium out of the plants-- so Flush them well, put back in the bloom room the full 2 weeks till harvest, water as needed .. but absolutely no nutes or foliar sprays!

IF you foliar fed during the grow-- be sure to use a sprayer of water to gently shower it off the plants! (also gets rid of dead bugs & dust stuck to the buds!)

USING MG SOIL IS NEVER RECOMENDED!!
it has TIME RELEASED nutes-- so flushing is impossible... and you do not know how much nutes are being released or used by the plants.
If yYou Used MG soil, do NOT nute at all during veg... and use only additional P-K and suppliments without "N" during bloom...
And pre-harvest flushing can NOT be done on the normal 2 week schedule because of the time released nutes-- you must emergency flush when the trichs are how ya want em...



Cut the plant off at soil level. Place plant in a bucket with enough PLAIN tapwater to cover the base, but not touch lower limbs or vegetation....

Add a bubbler to the bucket to help "fool" the plant into thinking it is still alive (this only works up to 4 days before they wilt!)
Tthe plant will now use the nutrients stored in it's system . Leave under the lights at least 2 days-- up to 4 (3 is the usual amount)
IF you are one who puts their plants in the dark the last 3 days, give em at least 24 hours under lights before ya do... the photosynthesis will help the plant flush out unused nitrogen.


When using MG Fertilizer (as well as Schultz or Peter's ) Watch for:
Clawing
brown dry spots
crinckling leaves
pale new growth
Yellowing

if these happen, flush the plant, and wait 2-3 days before feeding again.
If Using MG soil and this happens, your best route is to re-plant in a bigger planter with different soil... DO NOT try to remove the existing soil from the roots of the plant!!!!

Good luck--
MG may not be the best-- but it CAN work!

HOPE THIS HELPS CLEAR UP THE "HOW DO I USE THIS" QUESTIONS!!!

Source: Lady Zandra
 

xtheghostx

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I took a look at your plants and I would just let them ride it out and use the rest of the nutrients in the soil I'm sure it has plenty.
 

hmmm123

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I know the nutes i have are not the best option was just wondering if they would be ok, cos money is a bit tight at the moment and i happened to already have that. There is only really one place i can get some diffrent nutes from (sometimes it would be a lot easier not living in the middle of know where.) i guess if needs be i can go tomorrow and get something else. Have no idea what though there isn't much choice. This is the website for the shop Garden & Outdoor at Wilkinson Plus so if anyone can find me something better to use from there i would be really greatful. Thanks.
 

LiveVibe

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Hi. Are you growing outdoors or indoors? I know Lowryder is an indoor strain but I just want to make sure.....
 

bonz

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if you have already started on the mg dont change now just finish this one off.
it looks like all they sell is mg so try and get the other types i have in my schedule and use it.
then for my next grow i would go and buy some good organic nutes. i recomend the botanicres pure blend pro. be carefull if you go organic that it is true organic and not just based( not the same) you will be happier with the results and it`s not that much money
 

hmmm123

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I havn't already started them on the mg, they have had no nutes so far.

This may seem like a stupid question but do i even need to bother giving them any nutes? Just wondered what would happen if i didn't give them any. The mg sounds very complicated!

if you have already started on the mg dont change now just finish this one off.
it looks like all they sell is mg so try and get the other types i have in my schedule and use it.
then for my next grow i would go and buy some good organic nutes. i recomend the botanicres pure blend pro. be carefull if you go organic that it is true organic and not just based( not the same) you will be happier with the results and it`s not that much money
 
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bonz

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if you haven`t started then i would recomend returning the stuff if you can and ordering some mary jane nutes online if you cant get them were you live. that is if you can afford it. the stuff i use is about 20 bucks a bottle and lasts for a long time. with the slow release shit you will be ok for nutes for a while to order new stuff. just my 2 cents
 

hmmm123

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If i can tomorrow i might make the trip to a big garden centre even though it is further away. Really don't want to use the mg unless i really have to. Any advice on what i should get? Things i can get in the UK please! I just want something to last me out till the end of this grow and i would perfer it if it was organic never have been into chemicals.

if you haven`t started then i would recomend returning the stuff if you can and ordering some mary jane nutes online if you cant get them were you live. that is if you can afford it. the stuff i use is about 20 bucks a bottle and lasts for a long time. with the slow release shit you will be ok for nutes for a while to order new stuff. just my 2 cents
 

bonz

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i dont think you will find the correct stuff at any garden center. you need a hydroponic store, you got to have one in the uk near you dont you. usualy the only shit at garden centers is mg or schultz. cant remember how old they are i believe you said still in veg?
 

bonz

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i see they are about 1 month old. so my recomend is try to find some flowering nutes and just let her go with no nutes till then and then give the flowering nute
 

hmmm123

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I have no idea where the nearest hydro store is. It's 10miles to the nearest shop, about 20 to my nearest town that might have one and i would have no idea where to look for a hydro shop so that isn't really an option. I guess it's maybe looking like mg it is *sighs*

i see they are about 1 month old. so my recomend is try to find some flowering nutes and just let her go with no nutes till then and then give the flowering nute
 

bonz

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if not get the bloom booster in my post, i believe you said you had the plain olg mg so far
 

poutineeh

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MG isnt the worst thing ever, so dont get too scared. there are plenty of people on here who grow with it and get just fine results. just thought id represent the other side since everyone is acting like MG is a literal poison.
 

bonz

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i dont say it dont work it`s just not for a beginner thats all if he follows my feed schedule he will be fine
 

hmmm123

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Also good to have more than one opinon.

So i have been thinking how about if i do this then. Mix a 1/4 of the recommed amount with a litre of water. Then water my plants as normal and when i get to week 8 stop watering with the water mixed with the mg and go back to just plan water? How does that sound? Or is that a really stupid idea?!


MG isnt the worst thing ever, so dont get too scared. there are plenty of people on here who grow with it and get just fine results. just thought id represent the other side since everyone is acting like MG is a literal poison.
 
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