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k-town

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If I'm wanting to start a grow room in my 3x3 ft. closet using compact fluorescents 1 w/red spectrum and 1 w/ blue spectrum (2 CFL's all together) to grow 2-3 plants!!! With fertilizer,starting soil, planting pots, fan, and any thing else i needed. About how much will that run me?($)
 

videoman40

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I am no expert at all, and I know even less about fluorescents, however that sounds like you need more lighting.
 

CellZero

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It really depends, an what quality stuff u get. I grew 4 small plants for a week or so on 1 2700 (warm bulb, by accident). Lumen florescent bulb. You will definately need more once they get bigger. You could probly do 1 or 2 bulbs per plant at least. Basic ferts are pretty cheap $3 - $10 for stuff you mix in water (it will last you at least a few grows). If you get joe blo premixed soil it will run you around $3-5 for an 8 quart bag. If you plan to grow in the same pot the whole time pots are maybe $10 for all of em, fans you can get away with a cheap one for $5 or if you have a few 80mm pc fans, or a couple 120mm's. All of that is basic stuff and should get you buy until flowering.

Once you get to flowering you will also need something to help with the smell. You could make a carbon scrubber, or use some automatic fresheners or something. Before you start using ferts you may want to read up a bit about the different needs of the plants at different stages. (Basically more potassium during veg and more phosphorus during flowering)
 

mogie

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Do you plan on getting your pots used from a nursery or salvation army and washing out with bleach? That would save money. Right now you can get a 5 pac of florors at home depot for under $10. Don't know the specs on them. Didn't stop and check them out. Buy a huge plastic tub with lid (like the kind you store things in) these are great for holding your potting mix. They are generally cheap at Walmart. Less then $5. For reflectivity paint your grow area flat white. Walmart brand under $8 for an entire gallon. Home Depot carries Miracle Grows only decent line of potting mix. The all natural one.

I know these things add up but when you save a few dollars here and a few there that adds up too. So the start up costs depends on how much work you are willing to do to save and how creative you are.
 

bigbudeddie

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Not enough CFL's man and you do realise that they will only produce small buds compared to HPS right? CFL's use hardly any power you wont even notice the difference with two.
 

k-town

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so I should have 2 for each stage? 2 blue spectrum lights for vegetative stage, and 2 red spectrum lights for flowering?
 

CellZero

Active Member
how many lumens are the bulbs? Usually it will say on the package. For your 3 plants you will want 5000 lumens or more.
 

k-town

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OK cool! Is it best to hang both lights right above plant during vegetative stage or maybe one on the side or what? And what's the best amount of light to start off new sprout with? is it 24hrs at first?
 

CellZero

Active Member
Essentially you want to light to reach as much of the foliage as possible. You can put them right above each one at first but once alot of foliage grows you'll probablly want to put them to the side a bit (surrounding them). For a new sprout the amount lighting isn't going to be any different than normally. They use as much as they can get to grow in to nice big happy plants :D As for the time the lights It's kind of preference. I would probly recommend doing 24 hours for a week or 2 after they sprout then switching to 18/6.
 

AllmanBro

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5000 lumens or more total
NO NO NO, YOU NEED WAYYYYYY more than that for a successful grow. Check out some of the guys grow journals that have tried growing under flour. Some of these plants look like horse shit...now if you get some really good bulbs like these T5's, coupled with what you already have...... now thats a different story......

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then you can grow something worth while, but i would seriously suggest investing in a decent HPS system for your flowering cycle....

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and then the following grow you can get yourself a MH conversion bulb......

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Well hope some of this helps, keep us updated :)
 

CellZero

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5000 lumens is minimum (that's also assuming you're in an enclosed space). Don't be deceived, not all CFL grows will look like shit. It all depends on your growing conditions. I will say most grows I see with MH and HIDs look amazing.

I don't know why people are so biased against CFL's...
 

mogie

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What are compact fluorescents and how can I use them for growing?

Contributed by: Burramys Parvus
Thanks to: 11leafedleaf
Submitted: 03-25-2003
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BASIC INFORMATION
Compact fluorescents are close relatives of the 4ft tube fluorescents, commonly used in shops and schools for their white, soft light that does not cast any defined shadows. These lights are long tubes, usually 4ft long, filled with a gas that releases a photon of light when excited by electricity. The electricity is passed through the tube from the metal sections at either end, thus exciting the gas within and releasing photons of light. These lights must have a 'starter' which gets the light going initially, unlike incandescent which can just be turned on and off without one. Regular fluorescents usually emit 18w of light per tube, and cannot be plugged straight into a wall socket.

Compact fluorescents, on the other hand, are made for use in regular light sockets, and can easily be installed by anyone with basic handyman skills. Compact fluorescents are usually around 8inches long (not including the ballast, which usually adds about 3 inches to the total length) and emit minimal amounts of heat from the globe itself. Most of the heat emitted from a compact fluorescent comes from the ballast. These lights are usually between 8w and 27w, although some variation may occur between brands and uses.

The main reason people choose CF's over regular fluoro's is their compact ability! They are very 'movable' and can be positioned almost everywhere. They put out MUCH more light than their bigger cousins, while using only a fraction of the space.

Some of the many varieties of compact fluorescents.









Image contributed by: Locutus


NON-CULTIVATION USE OF COMPACT FLUORESCENTS

If you're running a large grow setup, and you're concerned about the spike in electricity, replace your regular light bulbs with compact fluoro’s around the house! They give off the same light, using only a fraction of the electricity. If you're running a HID light, and the electricity increase could kill you financially, or you're just worried about LEO, it might be a good idea to replace incandescent with compact fluoro’s. As an example, a 100w incandescent uses most of its energy giving off heat. If you replace all these 100w incandescent bulbs with ~20w energy saving compact fluoro's, you can dramatically reduce your energy bill, and help the environment at the same time. In fact, I recommend changing all your lights to CF's regardless of your growing situation, as they will save you $$ in the long-term, and save the environment.

The advantage with these lights is that the conversion from incandescent isn't complicated! Simply un-screw the old bulb, and screw in a compact fluoro! Done! You're on your way to energy saving paradise!


THE USE OF FLUORO'S FOR GROWING CANNABIS

Every grower has, or still uses these lights. Although they don’t even come close to the results from a HID light, they do however provide a cheap alternative for a newbie 'dabbling' in the fine art of growing. Instead of spending hundreds of dollars on an HID light, a newbie can purchase a compact fluorescent for a few bucks, and still have money for a coffee on the way home.

These lights are also excellent for starting seedlings and clones, as their cool light will not dry out the soil as fast as an HID. They have a low intensity, and are gentle on newly germinated seedlings, and are great for clones as they wont dry them out or give them too much of an early blast.

Compact fluoro's are also great for stealth grows, as they can be kept about 1 inch from the plants, and do not require extensive heat ventilation due to their warm operating temperature.


WHERE CAN I PURCHASE THESE LIGHTS?

Most lighting stores will sell them, but watch out, prices are very different depending on what type of shop you get them at! As lighting shops only sell lighting equipment, their prices can either be high or low, it really depends on the type of lighting shop it is. A designer lighting shop may end up being much more expensive, as they tend to be more directed towards the upper-class designer type customer, which extra $$ to spend. Hardware’s sell them, but their variety of lights is usually limited. Electricians, and assorted electrical shops will sell them, and this is most likely where you will get the best range and the best prices. My advice to you is, shop around! You wont regret it when you can save around 30% per light.


WHICH TYPE OF COMPACT FLUORESCENT LIGHT TO CHOOSE

For anyone growing cannabis, it is pointless to buy a weak light. Given the option of 8w, 15w and 27w, you would be stupid not to buy the 27watt, as they are more or less the same price. Compare the lumen output of each of the bulbs, different 27w bulbs may have different lumen outputs (depending on the manufacturer) and as with everything, the more lumens the better. You will also be given 2 options, the screw method of fitting, or the bayonet method (push and turn). My preference is the bayonet fitting. Make sure that you choose the right one for your socket! Also, do not choose a regular compact fluoro. Pick the one with the energy saving feature (will be explained why later on in the document). Now, for vegetative growth you should choose the 'cool white' light. This is also acceptable for flowering, but a 'warm white' light will be better as it is stronger in the red end of the light spectrum which is more suitable for flowering.
 

mogie

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HOW MUCH LIGHT DO I NEED TO VEG CANNABIS PROPERLY?

It all depends on what light you are using, if it’s HID, standard fluoro or compact fluoro (I assume you're not using halogens!). For HID (HPS or MH) lighting, use roughly 30w per square foot, and for flowering use around 60w per square foot. This is merely a guide, your plant, light height; reflective surfaces etc make a huge difference on these numbers. For a small plant, below 1ft tall, I’d say you would need at least 25w of fluorescent light. I find that it isn't at all practical to use tube fluoro’s for the vegetative stage past 6 inches, as only the top of the plant is receiving enough light to carry out photosynthesis properly.

Using an energy saving compact fluoro will help 'push' the light to the base of the plant, assisting photosynthesis. If the plant indicates it needs more light by growing slowly, and with small leaf petioles, you may need more light. Go with the basic rule of keeping the fluoro’s very close, and using roughly 20-30w per square foot for strong vegetative growth. If you can afford to over-light your grow room, why not? You wont regret it when your plant is bushy and healthy. If you feel that you need to only purchase a minimum amount of lights, you probably shouldn’t be growing.

Growing takes effort and money, and if you can't support a plants needs you might as well just forget growing until you can afford a proper setup. Skimping on lights is the biggest mistake a grower can make, because photosynthesis is so important to for a health plant.


THE TRUTH ABOUT WATT RATINGS

When purchasing a compact fluorescent, you will notice that nearly all of them have a larger number on the box, than what it actually is. This number is the lights comparison to the brightness of a standard incandescent globe. Do not be fooled, this does not mean that the light is 100w! It is most likely around 18w.

Now, here is where the myth behind these lights is uncovered. Most people will say that you should totally discard the brightness rating. This is wrong! The brighter a light is, the more penetration it has. With a usual, run-of-the-mill compact fluorescent (say, 15w) it emits only 15w of light with poor penetration. An energy saving compact fluorescent with 15w of light, which is rated to 100w of light, will only emit 15w of light. The difference between the two is, the energy saving light has a much stronger light penetration of the normal one, while still only emitting 15w of light.

This is beneficial to growers because with a larger plant, a normal 15w compact fluoro will sufficiently light one part of the plant, and by the time the light has reached the other side of the plant, so much of the light has been lost that it is barely worth having. With the energy saving compact fluorescents, the light will travel to the other side of the plant, and still have enough intensity for reasonable results.


HANGING YOUR LIGHTS OVER YOUR PLANTS

Keep these lights under a reflector all of the time to concentrate the light onto the plant. Hang them horizontally, as most of the light is given off by the middle of the tubes. Keep them close to the plants. As a general rule of thumb, 1 inch away from the top of the plant is perfect. Any more, and you're wasting your time, and less and you risk burning your plant (although these lights are very cool, it is possible to burn your plant if it touches the light or ballast for an extended period of time). If you're given the option, go for a few compact fluoro’s positioned around the plant, as opposed to 1 strong light at the top. Positioning lights around the plant help stop vertical stretching, and encourage the plant to bush out.


WHY IS A HID "BETTER" THAN A COMPACT FLUORESCENT?

HID lighting is generally accepted as a better light for growing cannabis for a few reasons...
· It has much better light penetration
· It is much more powerful (higher lumen output)
· It is stronger in light spectrums suited for growing plants

What can we do to combat these problems to make the most out of our fluoro’s?

· Use a good reflector. Desk lamp reflectors are perfect, along with coke cans (cut in half from top to bottom).
· Purchase lights with high energy saving capabilities (e.g. high watt ratings)to increase light penetration
· Purchase lights with suitable spectrum strengths for each phase of growing (eg warm white, cool white etc.)
· Keep the lights close to maximize intensity
 
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