From Seed/Sprout To sex

Dub-Azn

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k so i started with a bunch of seeds, and im gettin ahead of myself, but i was curious as it grows, how many weeks in do i find out the sex before the males polinate the females ? does this happen in veg ? or do i let them grow for a month then flower for findin out sex ...
 

bigballin007

New Member
you must flower them in order to determine what sex they are. Most clone then then flower the clones but as this is your first just switch to 12/12 when they are around a foot tall.
 

Dub-Azn

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so grow till there a foot talk then switch to flower ? what about making clones ? do i do it after ive found out the sex ?
 

bigballin007

New Member
If you want to clone them then I suggest just growing them untill you can get some good cuttings off of them, then veg them for another month or so or untill your clones take root and you sex your clones. This will require two spaces to do it this way and ensures only females will be placed in your flower room. Make sure you keep track of what clones came from what plant so you can cut the males down.
 

Dub-Azn

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this process is kinda confusing to me, once i can get good cuttings, then cut off at the node and have those planted in a seperate veg room ? then the original plants go into flowering ? or do i keep them both in the same room and flower my clones after a month to find sex ?
 

mogie

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Preflowers, as opposed to full blown flowers, generally appear after the fourth week of vegetative growth from seed. Check carefully above the fourth node. Please note that preflowers are very small and and almost impossible to differentiate without magnification. A photographer's 10x loupe is handy indeed when examining preflowers.

As the images below demonstrate, the female preflower is pear shaped and produces a pair of pistils. Frequently, the female preflowers do not show pistils until well after the preflowers have emerged. Thus, don't yank a plant because it has no pistils. Pistillate preflowers are located at the node between the stipule and emerging branch.

Also, some female preflowers never produce pistils. A female preflower without pistils is difficult to distinguish from a male preflower. Thus, hermaphodite issues should not be resolved by the appearance of preflowers, without pistils, on a plant otherwise believed to be a female.

Female (pistillate)



Image courtesy of MrIto

Female (pistillate)


Image courtesy of Uncle Ben

The male preflower may be described as a "ball on a stick." However, its most recognizable feature is its absence of pistils. Sometimes, a male plant will develop mature staminate flowers after prolonged periods of vegetative growth. These appear in clusters around the nodes.

The following image shows a male plant in early flowering. Staminate flowers are located at the node between the stipule and emerging branch.

Male (staminate)
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Image courtesy of PLAYn

Image courtesy of PsycoXul
 

mogie

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These pictures and quotes were donated from a sexing thread about identifying females by their pre-flowers (primordia) which was authored by "Crazy Composer". The pictures alone speak a thousand words...




Note: The plant parts marked with an "X" are called "stipules", they appear on both male and female plants.


This diagram shows the difference (on a slightly more mature plant) between genuine pre-flowers and actual bud sites, which are - in fact different animals altogether.



From a further distance, but quite clear-cut.
I know how it is for some of the newer growers who are eagerly anticipating their first view of an actual marijuana flower. Well, this is what it looks like, play your cards right and you'll have thousands of these hairs clumped tightly together and covered in crystals that will smell so nice. Don't worry, it's coming.
 

mogie

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Contributed by: CSS
Thanks to: GreenHeart
Submitted: September 5th, 2003

A bud is a cluster of single female flowers.

As you can see in the pic, this cola is composed of several sub-units that are will fill out before reaching maturity. In this phase, the plant has finished the stretching phase and is developing bud sites.

Depending on the strain, bud development may start in the middle of its flowering period.






Every single sub-unit is itself a cluster of single female flowers. New Flowers are formed throughout the flowering period. You can see new flower production on top of each sub unit.

In this pic, you can see (above the yellow lines) where the single sub-units develop new single flowers. You can recognize them because the new pistils in formation have tiny stigmas.




Let's see a single flower!
This pic is a pre-flower but is alright for our purposes. It explains how a single female flower formation occurs.

This single flower is called a pistil and the two hairs coming out of it are called stigmas. Male pollen reaches the stigmas and make their way to the female egg cell which is located inside the pistil. This pollination process will produce the seed. Growers tend to prefer seed-less (non-pollinated) sensimilla!




Resin is produced on female flowers and on the leaves near them. It is produced by a particular structure called a glandular trichome.

In this pic you can see on the leaf that resin is produced in some kind of ball over a thin neck. if you have a magnifying glass, you can look in the ball and see color changes (from transparent to white to gold/brown) and determine when resin production and THC % has peaked. Rough handling of buds will break the trichomes off.



Young pistil.
Let's see now how a pistil evolves during the flowering period. Above the yellow line you can see a young pistil. It is thin and has white hairs.









Stipule
Here is a pic of an older pistil. The body has enlarged. The stigmas are still looking for some pollen. The small leaf under the pistil is called a stipule (Stipules are more evident with pre-flowers.)









This is probably two or three days later, as you can see hairs are becoming (starting from the top) brown/red. Probably at this stage it can still receive male pollen.








In this pic I've underlined three pistils that are as mature as the one in the previous pic (more or less). Other stigmas have dried up, probably due to rain and wind. In these conditions some stigmas lose their vitality and start to dry and to become brown/red. This is not a sign of ripening, just a normal event








On the left of this pic, you can see two pistils fully mature. The stigmas are totally colored and dried. The body of the pistil is now fat and is beginning to lose its turgidity. On the right you can see a cluster with pistils in various stages.







The pistil after a couple of days. It has lost its turgidity and probably is not receptive to pollen. it is dying. When all 70/80 % of all the pistils of a bud are at this stage, resin production has slowed if not stopped.










Gradual ripening.
The maturation of the pistils in a bud is not synchronized but gradual. As you can see in this pic, you have lots of pistils at different stages of development. See the dimension of the bodies. At harvest, you will probably see lots of brown hairs, but also some white at the top of each single sub-unit where the new formed pistils are.






When stigmas are dried and pistil is dying , the hairs will easily break and fall down.
 

green_nobody

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k so i started with a bunch of seeds, and im gettin ahead of myself, but i was curious as it grows, how many weeks in do i find out the sex before the males polinate the females ? does this happen in veg ? or do i let them grow for a month then flower for findin out sex ...
good one:D

that will take long into flowering them;) no hurry on that so.
you have to veg your plants for a while first, after that you can start to worry about that:blsmoke:
 

green_nobody

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Thanks but the poor guy was getting so much conflicting info I felt bad.
well i just looked at your post, skipped the rest straight away, just looked if i can still add some of my knowledge to put the guy on track again and go on then t the next issue. haven't read the stuff the others posted until now:D i would be confused to at the first as a newbie to growin with that:-?
 

green_nobody

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maybe the poor guy should watch some Mr. Green first and get some comical relief to his pain we caused to him;)

so if you read this, go to that link and watch the vid, its not all completely on target but it gives a good impression what you need to do and the guy in it is funny;)
POT-TV: Mr. Green: I Grow Chronic
 

Dub-Azn

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no pain hella gain ... that was really usefull i saved the pics with notes on my computer for future reference .... thanks for taking the time to do that ... one last question on an unrelated topic .. how do i hook u up with + rep i guess its called
 

asdf1

Active Member
MAKE A THREAD AND STICKY THAT POST!!!!!!!

if i had read that 6 months ago i would have been so much less confused on the flowering process, not just determining sex but how flowers grow and make buds. wow. theres a lot of information in that few posts. thank you.
 
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