I'm into vacuum tubes and vinyl. My belief is, digital ended what transistors started; the complete ruination of reproduced music in the home. Agree or disagree?

Vi

PS: Digital sucks.

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we're a dying breed there ViRedd.

I love my vinyl and I love 2 channel stereo....but I can't afford tubes. The only tube gear I have is an old tube tuner. Sounds much sweeter than SS tuners that I've listened to.

I have made the jump to surround sound lately after many years of holding off. It does make TV sound better and works well for most DVD's. I built it piece by piece so I could maintain my 2 channel setup without compromising sound quality.

There is some good digital media to be found if you look for it. maybe not as good as a well recorded analogue media...but pretty damn nice. DVD_A is getting very good as well as SACD. Of course you need more gear to hear these high resolution formats...but worth it in the long run.

Just don't ever ask me to play a fuckin MP3 on my system...thats blasphemy.

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I have an onkyo system I have had for about 25 years, I recently upgraded to bose speakers with the little speakers and the sub thingy. mine has a turntable and when I play my old vinyl my 20 year son laughs at me...
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I enjoy both, I've learned to get with the times and adapt. But I still love analog, its just beautiful.

I love my cds...I respectfully disagree with Vi...I hate, loathe and detest vinyl......
the pops and sputters and crackles annoy me beyond reproach.
How can Louis Armstong's Hot Fives sound good on vinyl?
Artie Shaw is much better on remastered cds than on any vinyl I have ever heard. Art Tatum on an LP....no thanks...too many pukes and pops and sputters for me!
Vacuum tubes are all well and good, but the source for me has to be digital!
Father Jack is spot on regarding SACD and DVDA!
MP3s are a disgrace!


Although I would like to park myself in front of Vi's stereo and see if he can change my mind!!

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Wavels....you obviously have never sat in front of a well maintained...well built analogue system. If you take care of your LP's...then the pops and crackles are not there.

If you happen to live in a large city...try and find a high end audio store...and tell them you are looking into a vinyl setup and you want to audition a table or two. Sit yourself down and get enveloped in a true analogue sound. You don;t tire of listening to the music over a long period of time like you do with cd's. It has been proven many times that listening to a digital format is tiring for the ears.

NOw I could be saying this all in vain...as maybe you are one of the folks that doesn't have an ear for sonics. I have freinds that come over and couldn't tell if I had the radio on or an SACD....it's not everyone that can hear the difference.

I'm not saying my ears or other audiophile ears are so good we can hear grass grow....but you must have the ability and appreciation for fine musical reproduction. CD's have come along way....but take a look around the high-fi world. You may question why there are more turntbale and turntable accessory manufacturers than there was in the 70's, which was the hayday of vinyl. Mind you the analogue stuff being made now is higher end quality...cause thats where the difference is. You're not gonna hear a huge difference hooking your Techinics TT up to your One box Surround system you bought at Best Buy as opposed to hooking a TT up to a system made for playing music instead hosting a light show on the front panel while trying to pump out some sound through an amp that has a power supply the size of a cell phone.

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Father Jack,
I agree with you on the days of analog and vinyl. I remember getting an album and admiring the art work the went into the album cover. I have three kids and they had seen the old turntable and album and asked what they were, and I laughed and told them that is what we call old time CD's. They couldn't believe that is how we listened to music. Unfortunatley much of what I have now is MP3's and CD's , but on the up side my kids now have all of the Guitar Hero installments so they jam out to much of the classic rock that I grew up with in surround sound...a concert everyday.

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Well, Father I frequent many audiophile shops and have listened to loads of setups. ( I live in a major megalopolis)
I am a music junkie. I like more acoustic natural music---Jazz and Classical.
My problem is, I always hear MORE distortion (pops) etc from the vinyl on any system and esp. on headphones. I listen to mostly older recordings and for me, vinyl is unacceptable. Loud raucous rock and other amplified music of newer vintage is not my preference.
CDs played thru analog vacuum tube amps do sound warmer and less harsh...but it is the popping and hiss (on all of the LPs I have tried) during quiet passages that makes me nuts.

This is an interesting thread.

Besides my understanding is that an LP is only "good" for about one hundred plays or so before it degrades??

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~George Bernard Shaw~

My curiosity was aroused because after I responded to the good Fathers post, I realized that I had not sat down and listened to a high end turntable and amp demo in about five years or so.
I searched google and was surprised to see how contentious and fierce this debate still is.
There are valid points made on both sides of this issue.
Some of the information I came across has motivated me to go out and demo some high end analog tube amps and preamps and the aforementioned dreaded turntables.
It seems that some progress has been made in eliminating surface noise inherent in any physical contact source; in the past I have found that this surface noise detracts from my enjoyment of the music. Any improvement in warmth or gooiness was offset by the hiss and pops.
I love my DVD-A discs and I thought that this improvement in digital sound would forever keep me away from vinyl.
Looks like I could be wrong. I am going out next week and checking out what is currently available.
Considering that I have not splurged on any new toys for myself yet this year I’ll see if I can find something to blow a wad of cash on.
After all, you can’t take anything with you when you croak!

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If you wind up with a boring, miserable life because you listened to your mom, your dad, your teacher, your priest or some guy on TV telling you how to do your shit, then YOU DESERVE IT.
~ Frank Zappa ~

Liberty means responsibility, that is why most men dread it.
~George Bernard Shaw~